[bksvol-discuss] Re: Quotation marks
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 05:07:12 -0700
Hi, Mayrie, I was referring to pages where the action of the book takes
place. If there is no header there on page 1 of the book after the prefatory
material, then I'd say you answered my question admirably. In a Braille book
in the NLS program, the header is on the book cover, in the page where you
have a byline and copyright, and on the first page where you have the text
proper of the book, whereas after the beginning of the text proper, say p.
2, 3, etc. there is no header at all. I'm sorry if I didn't explain myself
well. Regards, Kim.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:52 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quotation marks
Hi Kim,
I'm not sure I understand your question. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty
sure I don't understand your question. However, The title of the book only
appears on the title page and within the text of the copyright page, or
wherever else it's mentioned in the raves, or other preliminary or back
matter of the book. The title doesn't appear on the pages which contain
chapter headings at all.
Does that answer your question? Sorry if I've completely misunderstood what
you were asking. If I've not answered what you were asking, please, try
asking again in a different way, and I'll try to answer the question that
you're actually asking. Okay?
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kim Friedman
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quotation marks
Hi, Mayrie, I really thank you for writing such a clear explanation for
Maureen. I really didn't want to steer her wrong. Only one question: Aren't
there supposed to be at least two headers, one for the title page and one
for page one of the actual text of the book, e.g., "header, page 1, blank
line, Prologue or chapter one, title of chapter (if any) blank line". I know
that's how the more recent Braille books are formatted. Am I correct in
saying this? Regards, Kim Friedman.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:13 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quotation marks
Hi Maureen,
The surest way to know whether an error is a scanning error rather than a
typing error created by the publisher is, as you say, to check the hard copy
of the book. With that said, I have seen errors in books created by the
publisher such as "though" where the word ought to have been "through."
I've also seen errors in verbiage, have for having, and the like. Even the
gender of the character being discussed has been off.
On the other hand, scanning errors are almost always caused by the OCR
interpreting letters as something they aren't and are often very
understandable if one has a solid knowledge of how the printed word should
look. Some really common scanning kinds of errors are corn for comor the
reverse, die for the either as part of a word, or as a single word, the
letters td where the letters tl should have been, or the italicized letter I
scanning as a slash. That is just a very short list, but you see how the
kinds of errors are different when they are typing errors or scanning
errors.
Also, I see that you asked a question about how to remove headers earlier.
Kim's instructions were fine, but not as complete as they could have been,
and there are ways to preserve page numbers and still remove headers, if the
headers appear on the same line. I'll explain.
Headers can either be removed one at a time, or in one fell swoop, or large
groups by using the find and replace dialogue. I think that Kim said you're
using Kurzweil 1000 to proofread. These instructions will work for that
software.
In an ideal world, headers can be removed with a couple of global find and
replace attempts. Unfortunately, headers are rarely as uniform as that, and
may need to be removed one at a time by hand. I'll describe how to remove
headers by hand one at a time, and then using the find and replace option.
Headers usually have three arrangements, and appear the same on all odd and
then as something different on all even pages of a book. Some headers
contain page numbers, if the page numbers are at the tops of the pages.
Page numbers are not included in the header if they are at the bottoms of
pages.
When your book has headers that do not contain page numbers on the same
line, you can remove them by hand by doing this:
Place your cursor at the left margin of the line of text containing the
header.
Press shift plus end to select the entire line that contains the header.
Now you can press the delete key, or press control plus x to cut the line of
text, whichever feels more comfortable to you.
If you want to try a global find and replace in hopes of removing bunches of
headers at once, do this:
Place your cursor at the left margin on the line containing the header.
Pres shift plus end to select that entire line of text.
Press control plus h to open the find and replace dialogue. The line of text
you have selected will appear in the "find" box.
Tab once and leave the replace box empty so that what you are finding will
be replaced by nothing.
Tab until you get to the box labeled "case sensitivity." Make sure this
option is enabled.
Tab to the "ok" button and hit enter.
Wait until your software tells you how many replacements it's made and move
on to your next process, whatever you choose that to be.
If your header contains a page number at the beginning of the line, do the
following:
Place your cursor immediately after the page number.
Press shift plus end to select (also called highlight) the entire line of
text after the page number.
Press either the delete key or control plus x to get rid of the
selected/highlighted text.
You can also use the find and replace option as before after having selected
excluding the page number.
If your page number appears at the end of the line containing the header, do
the following:
Press end to get to the end of the line containing the header.
Left arrow until you have heard the first number of the page number spoken
and so passed by.
Press control plus home to select or highlight the entire line to the left
of the page number.
Press either the delete key or control plus x to get rid of the
highlighted/selected text.
You can also use the find and replace, again replacing with nothing and
enabling case sensitivity if you want to get rid of more than one header's
occurrence in a book at once.
Just a note. I find find and replace very helpful, and use it regularly.
However, it is rare that headers are uniform enough to be removed with one
pass through the find and replace dialogue. It is still a good idea to page
down through the document and check for and removing any remaining headers
that the first try at find and replace didn't catch. Also, paging down this
way will help you to locate pages whose headers ought to have contained page
numbers, but that either scanned as garbled text, or didn't scan at all.
You can then insert those missing or garbled page numbers.
One final note, in case you need it. People have in the past. If you are
using a traditional computer keyboard, the home key is the center key in the
top row of the six-pack. The end key is immediately below the home key.
I hope that was helpful. I hope I didn't forget any steps. If anything has
been unclear, please write and ask. I want to be as clear as I can, and
will clarify anything that you need to be clearer.
Happy proofreading!
Mayrie
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Maureen Pranghofer
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:36 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quotation marks
Hi
How can you tell thedifference between a type-o and a scanning error when
you are proofreading? If one letter is typed wrong in a word how do you
know which it is? By checking the hard copy?
Maureen
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From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quotation marks
> Hi Kim!
>
> Out of ignorance that there was such a thing as British punctuation, I
> changed all of the single quotes to double ones when I proofread a
> while back as we are used to here, and I didn't get in trouble, but I
> probably won't do it again, now that I know better. You'd better
> e-mail Carrie and
> ask her for sure about the policy on that, since the braille displays
> don't like the single quotes, since I don't know about policy on that,
> just that we are not to change text, including typos, which I find
> when reading over my scans. I groan when I find a typo, because I'd
> love to change it, but know it would be tampering with the published
> work, so I leave them and put a note in with my submission saying that
> page so-and-so
> has such-and-such a typo.
>
> Debby
>
> At 08:01 AM 5/23/2010, Kim Friedman wrote
>
>>Hi, folks, I just finished proofreading a book for Deborah Murray
>>called A
>>Secret and Unlawful Killing by Cora Harrison. It was written and
>>published
>>in Great Britain and has there particular type of quotation marks
>>which I'm told don't translate as quotes in Braille. My initial desire
>>was to replace those quotes with those that looked good in Braille. I
>>didn't do this because the submitter informed me that those quotes
>>should remain how
>>they looked in the printed text. I wrote her and have subsequently
>>written
>>to Carrie Karnos to get bookshare's policy on this. I've checked in
>>the book for approval and hope it will be added to the collection. I
>>would be interested in your thoughts on this. I recognize that it is
>>my job as proofreader to remove scanos if any, make sure the format is
>>okay, all pagination and text present and accounted for and to muck
>>about with the text as little as possible if the submitter did a great
>>job, otherwise I could strip headers, add Roman numerals if needed for
>>the prefatory pages,
>>etc. Do write me back and tell me what you think given your knowledge
>>and experience. Thanks and best regards, Kim Friedman.
>>
>>
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