[bksvol-discuss] Re: Questions that have surely been answered

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:28:34 -0500

Sf is a term you can use if you want to avoid the controversy of whether a story is science fiction or fantasy. Generally when someone uses the term sf science fiction is meant, but you always have the option of claiming that you really meant speculative fiction. I might also add that sf is always preferable to that hideous sound of crickets mating, sci-fi. Nevertheless, it has always seemed to me that the difference between science fiction and fantasy are very clearly delineated notwithstanding the fact that no matter how delineated any literary genre may be there is still overlap between all of them.



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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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I'd call it SF. But then there are a few people who would claim that SF stands for speculative fiction.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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I think I would call it fantasy. The rule I use is this. Science fiction
and fantasy both are fiction that contain fantastic elements. By fantastic
element I mean a being, object or event that we do not know to exist in the real world that we experience and we may have no reason to believe it to be possible, perhaps even theoretically. If the fantastic elements are assumed
in the context of the story to be a part of nature -- that is, the real
universe -- or result from manipulation of nature it is science fiction. If
the fantastic elements, within the context of the story, are assumed to be
supernatural then it is fantasy. A crossover would be a story in which some
fantastic elements are natural and others are supernatural. In that case I
suppose it would be both science fiction and fantasy, perhaps science
fantasy.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <mlsestak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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In general I'd like the separation of science fiction and fantasy, though it is sometimes difficult to tell which a book is. I'm currently reading
a book by Charles Stross, the Atrocity Archives.  In it mathematical
proofs can call up demons and open portals to the places where they come
from.  Is that SF or fantasy.  I suppose I could just mark both for that
kind of book.

Misha

On 1/28/2011 8:20 AM, Kim Friedman wrote:
Hi, Roger, I agree that science fiction should have its own category as
well as fantasy. Horror has its own category and I would, like you, like
to see science fiction and fantasy in two categories rather than one. I
know there are authors who have written both but I'd like to be able to
weed out the fantasy from the Star Wars novels. I know that mystery and
thrillers are lumped together. Do you think they should be separated?
Say suspense and thrillers and mystery and detective fiction? Come to
that, one can really go into details once one starts categorizing. I
know there is a category called "Cooking, Food, and wine". I don't
object to that, however I think there should be another category called
"Diet and Nutrition" to separate it from the cookbooks. Also I'd like
fiction that has recipes to be taken from the Cooking, Food, and Wine
category and call it Food Fiction, i.e., books where the protagonist has
something to do with food and if there are recipes, that can come under
that area because the primary focus is the story and food may be part of
it but not the whole of it. Regards, Kim Friedman (having a go as
nitpicker).

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I think you are suggesting more categories and that would be good. As
long
as you are making those suggestions, though, let me rant about the most
irritating thing about the categories for me. Science fiction and
fantasy
should be split. If you are going to lump genres together then at least
you
could lump something that have more to do with each other than science
fiction and fantasy.


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Maybe they could also come up with checkboxes for politics, sociology,
and
economics.
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   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:44 PM
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   Maybe when engineering gets around to adding the checkbox for
pictures
are
described they could add a checkbox for "this book is held for" a person
and
then that would trigger it to be on a separate checkout list?

   Then all of the held for books including the ones used to train new
volunteers would not show up on the ready for checkout list?

   --
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