[bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other types of disabled bookshare readers

  • From: "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:52:00 -0700

Okay, thanks.  Your instructions were helpful and I did get it working.
It's not consistently telling me font size though.  I'll keep trying it
though, it is interesting.

Best,
Allison
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Yes, I believe it works with versions of JAWS from 6.0 and beyond.

And you'd make sure you were in Word, then press Insert-F2.  You should
get
a list of options.  Either arrow down through the list, or hit C until
JAWS
says Configuration Manager.  Either way, press enter once you get there.

The Settings menu can be accessed from within the Configuration Manager by
Pressing Alt-S.

Once that menu comes up, arrow down to Speech and Sounds manager and press
enter.

From there, choose the sound scheme you want.  When you're on a sound
scheme, you can press Tab to hear a description of that sound scheme.  (I
know that works in JAWS 8 and 9, and assume it would work in 7.1 as well.)

I hope this helps.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allison Hilliker
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:43 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other
types of disabled bookshare readers

Hi Lora,

This is a very interesting JAWS option.  Do you know if it works with v
7.1?

Also, how does one get into the configurations menu?

Best,
Allison



----- Original Message -----
From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other
types of disabled bookshare readers


Actually, JAWS can be set to announce font and color changes.  Before
I open my mouth and insert my foot, I'm trying a little experiment
here.  Sighted readers should see three different colors, and three
different fonts, in this message.

In order to do this, go into the Configuration Manager for Word or
Outlook, and choose the Speech and Sounds Manager from the Settings
menu.  In there, you'll see lots of different sound schemes for
working with things like VB.Net, or the Web.  I chose Proofreading
Attributes, Font Info and Color.

Now as I read, JAWS announces the color changes as they occur, and
reads different fonts in different voices.

Sorry to sighted readers if this message looks chaotic . You can make
these same configuration changes in Word or Word Perfect, etc.

The trouble is, in order for this to be effective, you'd have to be
reading the whole book.  If you were, though, font and color changes
would be announced.

What I was hoping was that JAWS had a Quick Keys setting for font
change, but I don't see one.  Then you could just move to the next
font change, and that'd be easy.

You can also use Word's find features to find a specific font, or find
a specific color of text, but for that to be useful, you'd have to
know what you were looking for.

None of this probably helps much, but I thought I'd throw in my two
cents.



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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carrie
Karnos
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:00 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
other types of disabled bookshare readers


Hi Evan,

One option is for blind validators to set the font of the entire book
to
11
(or thereabouts). I don't particularly like this option because it's
harder for sighted people to see chapter and section titles when they
are the same size as the regular text, but it is an option.

Just an FYI, Carrie


----- Original Message ----
From: EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 1:47:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
other types of disabled bookshare readers

I think you're right on this. Being unable to see the screen, I have
no idea

how I can be aware of - let alone correct - font problems without
checking the font of every word in the book manually. I have checked
the fonts of headings when scanning or validating books, but for the
rest, I just have to

assume the fonts are okay. A person with enough vision to see the
screen can

look at a whole page and see that something is out of whack. I don't
see how

somewhat with insufficient vision could do anything similar. If I am
mistaken, please let me know. I could, of course, check each page in
Word or

K1000 and see what kinds of fonts are on it, and what the sizes are.
But as far as I know, those programs don't tell you which font is
where on the page. So someone who cannot see the screen would need
some way of hearing - on the fly - when the font changes and the new
characteristics. Is that possible? Unless that can be done, or there
is another way for someone with little or no vision to be aware of
font problems without a great deal of time consuming manual checking,
it seems unrealistic to expect that books on

Bookshare will have no font problems, as long as people with little or
no vision are submitting or validating them.

Evan

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Hi,
I will add to this that as a blind validator, it would probably be
difficult to correct all font problems. If I am incorrect about this,
I am certainily open to validation help.

Jim

James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810

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Hi Judy

Before telling you my thoughts about your question let me introduce
myself
I'm Anastasia; I am legally blind and use a screen enlarger. So I can
see
the print but it is straining so I prefer to listen.

Here are my thoughts: I scan in one file type that keeps the format,
kes,
and submit it in one that deletes the format. This type, rtf is more
universal. RTF automatically deletes the formats. It is more fluid
listening to it without the format. However, I can understand as someone
who reads print why keeping the format in tact for the recent members
would be beneficial, the only format that keeps the print in tact is KES
and  that is not a universal file. I hope I have answered your question
If
you have further questions or would like to further discuss this topic
please email me off list.

Anastasia


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