[bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other types of disabled bookshare readers
- From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:33:42 -0500
It may also be traditon, after all, elumination, as the Monks did it, was
where the fancy letters came from I believe.
Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI
and Guinevere, Golden lady Guide
juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
Graduate Alumni Association Board
www.guidedogs.com
More than Any other time, When i hold a beloved book in my hand, my
limitations fall from me, my spirit is free.
- Helen Keller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other
types of disabled bookshare readers
Lori,
There is no advantage whatsoever, as far as I'm
concerned. In fact, sometimes the letters are so fancy
it's hard to tell what they are--and they cannot be
duplicated on the keyboard. (I tried once using a font
that came close to looking like real cursive writing
for letters in a book and people told me it didn't
work, it was impossible for them to read).
I do, now, however, change or retain those first
letters or words as they are because Pratik or Guido
or someone--maybe even the late Gustavo--said to keep
them. Before that I wasn't.
It seems to be that some of that sort of thing is the
publisher's desire to make the book pretty, and not
the writer's wish--and it's generally the writer who
holds the copyright. I really don't think the
appearance of the book is copyrighted, since it
changes depending upon whether the book is LP or
paperback or hardbound and in those editions it's
still the writer who has the copyright. It's the
content, it seems to me--the writer's original work.
But what do I know....grin
G.Cindy
--- Lori Castner <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi, Evan,
>
> Yes; as far as I am concerned, I am delighted to use
> one font in life--in
> braille and in speech! But it is interesting to see
> different fonts with
> the optacon.
>
> And that raises a question for others on the list
> who do read print. What
> is the advantage of having the first letter of a
> chapter be in extremely
> large font, and what is the advantage of having the
> first several words of a
> chapter in all capts? I have seen both in books
> which I have recently
> scanned.
>
> And, yes, your message below Carrie's does read one
> word on a line. Can't
> imagine what would cause that.
>
> Cat Lover Lori
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:52 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan
> quality for blind vs other
> types of disabled bookshare readers
>
>
> >I am aware of that option, and I think I actually
> did make a book all one
> >font and size, except for Chapter headings - which
> I manually changed to
> >something larger - but I can't remember for sure,
> or why I did it. I could
> >do that as standard practice, which would resolve
> the issue Carrie had with
> >doing it. I could select the whole book and make it
> all one font and size,
> >then enlarge the chapter or section headings. I
> think this could be done
> >without jeopardizing bold or italics. But there may
> be other reasons for
> >not doing this that I am not aware of, not being a
> sighted reader and all.
> >Life is so much simpler for braille readers, having
> only one font. <smile>
> >
> > By the way, does anyone else see my message below
> Carrie's as having one
> > word on each line? That's the way it looks to me,
> but I can't imagine why.
> > It didn't appear that way originally.
> >
> > Evan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shelley L. Rhodes"
> <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:34 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan
> quality for blind vs other
> > types of disabled bookshare readers
> >
> >
> >>I have done that, smile.
> >>
> >> actually 12 is standard, smile.
> >>
> >> But when I fill out forms, or use form letters, I
> always highlight the
> >> form
> >> when I am done and change it to the standard
> font.
> >>
> >>
> >> Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI
> >> and Guinevere, Golden lady Guide
> >> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> >> Graduate Alumni Association Board
> >> www.guidedogs.com
> >>
> >> More than Any other time, When i hold a beloved
> book in my hand, my
> >> limitations fall from me, my spirit is free.
> >> - Helen Keller
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Carrie Karnos" <ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:59 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan
> quality for blind vs other
> >> types of disabled bookshare readers
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Evan,
> >>
> >> One option is for blind validators to set the
> font of the entire book to
> >> 11
> >> (or thereabouts). I don't particularly like this
> option because it's
> >> harder
> >> for sighted people to see chapter and section
> titles when they are the
> >> same
> >> size as the regular text, but it is an option.
> >>
> >> Just an FYI, Carrie
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 1:47:46 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan
> quality for blind vs other
> >> types of disabled bookshare readers
> >>
> >>
> >> I
> >> think
> >> you're
> >> right
> >> on
> >> this.
> >> Being
> >> unable
> >> to
> >> see
> >> the
> >> screen,
> >> I
> >> have
> >> no
> >> idea
> >> how
> >> I
> >> can
> >> be
> >> aware
> >> of
> >> -
> >> let
> >> alone
> >> correct
> >> -
> >> font
> >> problems
> >> without
> >> checking
> >> the
> >> font
> >> of
> >> every
> >> word
> >> in
> >> the
> >> book
> >> manually.
> >> I
> >> have
> >> checked
> >> the
> >> fonts
> >> of
> >> headings
> >> when
> >> scanning
> >> or
> >> validating
> >> books,
> >> but
> >> for
> >> the
> >> rest,
> >> I
> >> just
> >> have
> >> to
> >> assume
> >> the
> >> fonts
> >> are
> >> okay.
> >> A
> >> person
> >> with
> >> enough
> >> vision
> >> to
> >> see
> >> the
> >> screen
> >> can
> >> look
> >> at
> >> a
> >> whole
> >> page
> >> and
> >> see
> >> that
> >> something
> >> is
> >> out
> >> of
> >> whack.
> >> I
> >> don't
> >> see
> >> how
> >> somewhat
> >> with
> >> insufficient
> >> vision
> >> could
> >> do
> >> anything
> >> similar.
> >> If
> >> I
> >> am
> >> mistaken,
> >> please
> >> let
> >> me
> >> know.
> >> I
> >> could,
> >> of
> >> course,
> >> check
> >> each
> >> page
> >> in
> >> Word
> >> or
> >> K1000
> >> and
> >> see
> >> what
> >> kinds
> >> of
> >> fonts
> >> are
> >> on
> >> it,
> >> and
> >> what
> >> the
> >> sizes
> >> are.
> >> But
> >> as
> >> far
> >> as
> >> I
> >> know,
> >> those
> >> programs
> >> don't
> >> tell
> >> you
> >> which
> >> font
> >> is
> >> where
> >> on
> >> the
> >> page.
> >> So
> >> someone
> >> who
> >> cannot
> >> see
> >> the
> >> screen
> >> would
> >> need
> >> some
> >> way
> >> of
> >> hearing
> >> -
> >> on
> >> the
> >> fly
> >> -
> >> when
> >> the
> >> font
> >> changes
> >> and
> >> the
> >> new
> >> characteristics.
> >> Is
> >> that
> >> possible?
> >> Unless
> >> that
> >> can
> >> be
> >> done,
> >> or
> >> there
> >> is
> >> another
> >> way
> >> for
> >> someone
> >> with
> >> little
> >> or
> >> no
> >> vision
> >> to
> >> be
> >> aware
> >> of
> >> font
> >> problems
> >> without
> >> a
> >> great
> >> deal
> >> of
> >> time
> >> consuming
> >> manual
> >> checking,
> >> it
> >> seems
> >> unrealistic
> >> to
> >> expect
> >> that
> >> books
> >> on
> >> Bookshare
> >> will
> >> have
> >> no
> >> font
> >> problems,
> >> as
> >> long
> >> as
> >> people
> >> with
> >> little
> >> or
> >> no
> >> vision
> >> are
> >> submitting
> >> or
> >> validating
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Evan
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Original
> >> Message
> >> -----
> >> From:
> >> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To:
> >> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent:
> >> Monday,
> >> February
> >> 04,
> >> 2008
> >> 8:55
> >> AM
> >> Subject:
> >> [bksvol-discuss]
> >> Re:
> >> Question
> >> on
> >> Scan
> >> quality
> >> for
> >> blind
> >> vs
> >> other
> >> types
> >> of
> >> disabled
> >> bookshare
> >> readers
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >> Hi,
> >>>
> >> I
> >> will
> >> add
> >> to
> >> this
> >> that
> >> as
> >> a
> >> blind
> >> validator,
> >> it
> >> would
> >> probably
> >> be
> >>>
> >> difficult
> >> to
> >> correct
> >> all
> >> font
> >> problems.
> >> If
> >> I
> >> am
> >> incorrect
> >> about
> >> this,
> >> I
> >> am
> >>>
> >> certainily
> >> open
> >> to
> >> validation
> >> help.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >> James
> >> D
> >> Homme,
> >> ,
> >> Usability
> >> Engineering,
> >> Highmark
> >> Inc.,
> >>>
> >> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
> >> 412-544-1810
> >>>
> >>>
> >> "it
> >> is
> >> only
> >> possible
> >> to
> >> live
> >> happily
> >> ever
> >> after
> >> on
> >> a
> >> day-to-day
> >> basis."
> >> --
> >>>
> >> Margaret
> >> Bonnano
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Anastasia
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Saridakis"
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <anamatia81@yahoo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> .com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
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> >> Scan
> >> quality
> >> for
> >> blind
> >> vs
> >> other
> >>>
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> >> types
> >> of
> >> disabled
> >> bookshare
> >> readers
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 02/01/2008
> >> 07:48
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please
> >> respond
> >> to
> >>>
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> >> bksvol-discuss@fr
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> eelists.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Hi
> >> Judy
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Before
> >> telling
> >> you
> >> my
> >> thoughts
> >> about
> >> your
> >> question
> >> let
> >> me
> >> introduce
> >> myself
> >>>
> >> I'm
> >> Anastasia;
> >> I
> >> am
> >> legally
> >> blind
> >> and
> >> use
> >> a
> >> screen
> >> enlarger.
> >> So
> >> I
> >> can
> >> see
> >>>
> >> the
> >> print
> >> but
> >> it
> >> is
> >> straining
> >> so
> >> I
> >> prefer
> >> to
> >> listen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Here
> >> are
> >> my
> >> thoughts:
> >> I
> >> scan
> >> in
> >> one
> >> file
> >> type
> >> that
> >> keeps
> >> the
> >> format,
> >> kes,
> >>>
> >> and
> >> submit
> >> it
> >> in
> >> one
> >> that
> >> deletes
> >> the
> >> format.
> >> This
> >> type,
> >> rtf
> >> is
> >> more
> >>>
> >> universal.
> >> RTF
> >> automatically
> >> deletes
> >> the
> >> formats.
> >> It
> >> is
> >> more
> >> fluid
> >>>
> >> listening
> >> to
> >> it
> >> without
> >> the
> >> format.
> >> However,
> >> I
> >> can
> >> understand
> >> as
> >> someone
> >>>
> >> who
> >> reads
> >> print
> >> why
> >> keeping
> >> the
> >> format
> >> in
> >> tact
> >> for
> >> the
> >> recent
> >> members
> >>>
> >> would
> >> be
> >> beneficial,
> >> the
> >> only
> >> format
> >> that
> >> keeps
> >> the
> >> print
> >> in
> >> tact
> >> is
> >> KES
> >>>
> >> and
> >> that
> >> is
> >> not
> >> a
> >> universal
> >> file.
> >> I
> >> hope
> >> I
> >> have
> >> answered
> >> your
> >> question
> >> If
> >>>
> >> you
> >> have
> >> further
> >> questions
> >> or
> >> would
> >> like
> >> to
> >> further
> >> discuss
> >> this
> >> topic
> >>>
> >> please
> >> email
> >> me
> >> off
> >> list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Anastasia
> >>>
> >>>
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