[bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other types of disabled bookshare readers
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:26:03 -0800 (PST)
I was under the impression that bookshare does
something to make the fonts standard, but Carrie, I
guess you'd know better than I, or could find out.
Basically I do what all of you do, except that I do
the title pages and cover and such first, using larger
fonts but never more than 36, because some of you said
quite some time ago that anything larger causes you
problems. Then I cut and save all those pages before
the text to a separate document so they won't get
changed, and I blacken the whole rest of the file and
set the font type and size; I had heard tha bookshare
uses Courier 10, so I do that or Courier 12, unless
the submitter has used something like Times or Times
Roman. I also set first line indentions to .2
Hopefully, by not using the space bar, the
indentations will not be deleted.
Then I put back the pages I've cut. I still have to
sometimes enlarge the Chapter titles or make them
bold, but that really probably isn't necessary if they
are spaced and capitalized--and if the first line of
the page is not supposed to be indented, I reset it
for flush left, but I don't suppose that is essential
either.
Oh--and when I set the font for the document I also
make the text flush left, since some people have said
it's much easier to read that way than if it's
justified.
How much of this is do-able for those of you who are
blind I don't know. And what bookshare does with our
stuff when they convert I don't know. It may be that
what I do isn't necessary, but I'm compulsive and
can't stop. smile
G.Cindy
--- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Carrie and Booksharian Friends,
>
> I agree with you, Carrie, that It helps sighted
> readers, particularly those with low vision or
> reading difficulties, to have chapter headings in a
> font that stands out from the text.
>
> I standardize the text, by highlighting all of it to
> the end of the file starting with the first page of
> the story.Then as I read through I put chapter
> headings in a larger font like size 20 bold. I use
> my judgment with subheadings and signs and other
> material I suspect is enlarged and make it easier to
> spot visually by making it size 16 regular.
>
> I think it's easier for sighted readers to visually
> identify indented paragraphs so I indent them 3
> spaces, knowing I'm really wasting time because I
> think the tools omit the indents.
>
> This does lead to a formatting question I've been
> wondering about. When word is set to indent the
> first line, it also indents the page numbers and
> these are hard to move to the left margin. The only
> way I know of doing it is to highlight enough lines
> that one line that is flush with the left margin and
> the line with the page number are included. Then I
> alt o and down arrow once to paragraph and set the
> margin to left justify, and the values to zero and
> enter on OK. That fixes the page number but then I
> have to indent any paragraphs which were left
> justified in the process.
>
> I'm not sure I've explained this very well. On the
> pages where the first line of text starts on the
> left margin, the page number is against the left
> margin, too. If the first line is indented, then the
> page number is directly above that first word and is
> indented as well.
>
> I'm not sure if it's a good use of time for me to
> mess with the settings to move that page number a
> few spaces to the left so all of them will uniformly
> appear in the first space on the line against the
> left margin.
>
> Always with love,
>
> Lissi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carrie Karnos
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:59 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan
> quality for blind vs other types of disabled
> bookshare readers
>
>
> Hi Evan,
>
> One option is for blind validators to set the font
> of the entire book to 11 (or thereabouts). I don't
> particularly like this option because it's harder
> for sighted people to see chapter and section titles
> when they are the same size as the regular text, but
> it is an option.
>
> Just an FYI, Carrie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 1:47:46 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan
> quality for blind vs other types of disabled
> bookshare readers
>
> I think you're right on this. Being unable to see
> the screen, I have no idea
> how I can be aware of - let alone correct - font
> problems without checking
> the font of every word in the book manually. I
> have checked the fonts of
> headings when scanning or validating books, but
> for the rest, I just have to
> assume the fonts are okay. A person with enough
> vision to see the screen can
> look at a whole page and see that something is out
> of whack. I don't see how
> somewhat with insufficient vision could do
> anything similar. If I am
> mistaken, please let me know. I could, of course,
> check each page in Word or
> K1000 and see what kinds of fonts are on it, and
> what the sizes are. But as
> far as I know, those programs don't tell you which
> font is where on the
> page. So someone who cannot see the screen would
> need some way of hearing -
> on the fly - when the font changes and the new
> characteristics. Is that
> possible? Unless that can be done, or there is
> another way for someone with
> little or no vision to be aware of font problems
> without a great deal of
> time consuming manual checking, it seems
> unrealistic to expect that books on
> Bookshare will have no font problems, as long as
> people with little or no
> vision are submitting or validating them.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:55 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan
> quality for blind vs other
> types of disabled bookshare readers
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I will add to this that as a blind validator, it
> would probably be
> > difficult to correct all font problems. If I am
> incorrect about this, I am
> > certainily open to validation help.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark
> Inc.,
> > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
> >
> > "it is only possible to live happily ever after
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> > Margaret Bonnano
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> >
> > "Anastasia
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> > 02/01/2008 07:48
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> >
> > Hi Judy
> >
> > Before telling you my thoughts about your
> question let me introduce myself
> > I'm Anastasia; I am legally blind and use a
> screen enlarger. So I can see
> > the print but it is straining so I prefer to
> listen.
> >
> > Here are my thoughts: I scan in one file type
> that keeps the format, kes,
> > and submit it in one that deletes the format.
> This type, rtf is more
> > universal. RTF automatically deletes the
> formats. It is more fluid
> > listening to it without the format. However, I
> can understand as someone
> > who reads print why keeping the format in tact
> for the recent members
> > would be beneficial, the only format that keeps
> the print in tact is KES
> > and that is not a universal file. I hope I have
> answered your question If
> > you have further questions or would like to
> further discuss this topic
> > please email me off list.
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> > Anastasia
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