Hi Evan,Thanks for this. So, we want elipsis without spaces between to be accurate for everybody. I'll do that from now on. Thanks for telling us that the translator knows how to interpret elipsis correctly when we make sure not to have spaces between them in the print.
Peace, Mayrie At 08:48 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
Nobody is talking about changing the ellipsis in the print book to three apostrophes to make it come out correctly in braille. That's just what the braille translator puts in when it sees three periods in a row without spaces. So the question is not about replacing the ellipsis in the print book with three apostrophes, it is whether the periods which make up an ellipsis consist of three periods with spaces between or without spaces between. The braille translator makes a braille ellipsis -- which consists of three apostrophes -- when it sees three periods without spaces, but simply puts in periods when it sees periods with spaces between them, which is not correct.Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille ReadersI have a major problem with changing ellipsis for Braille readers.I can go along with the two hyphens for the - because they look similar. However, to correctly change an ellipse (.) into Braille you have to change it to three apostrophes which doesn't look like anything but three apostrophes in print. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Braille is not the only medium used for bookshare books, and Braille users shouldn't force speech and print users to change their way of seeing things for our sakes.As far as bullets go, I'm not sure what the software does to a bullet, but I'll bet it isn't pretty *smile*. I think I would just leave bullets alone. My new validating philosophy is, if I don't know what a change will do, then I won't make it.Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devorah Greenstein" <DGreenstein@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille ReadersIt took me a matter of seconds to replace all my em dashes with hyphen hyphen with no spaces. So I will happily continue to do that as part of validating. Now another question. What about ellipses in Braille? That's the three periods in a row. And what happens with bullets? My next book has bullets. Is Braille happy with them? Thanks, Devorah -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:03 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille Readers Hi Allison, I'll add here that the bookshare conversion tools will turn the em dash, which should be represented in braille by two hyphens side by side with no surrounding spaces to a single hyphen unless you replace the em dashes in your books with two hyphens. This discussion comes up again and again and I, personally, want, especially, the books that I submit that are geared to non-adults to come out in accurate braille. I want young readers never to think that the appropriate representation of a pause in writing should be by typing a hyphen which they might, if em dashes are not replaced with double hyphens. Just myopinion again and again. Peace, Mayrie At 02:08 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:In braille the thing should read as two hyphens with no s[paces between the two words so one--two is how it should read. Cindy Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question for Braille Readers Hi everyone, Quick question for Braille-readers. I do read Braille myself, but I've never paid attention to this issue before. I'm validating a book with a lot of em dashes. They look like this. - They usually connect two words like this. word1-word2. They do not usually have spaces around them. In the past I have left them as is in the books I validate. My question is, should I be doing anything special with the em dashes in order to make them easily read in Braille? I've never known there to be a special Braille character for the em dash, but there may be one. Does it just look like a regular dash, or something else? Do they appear with spaces around them or not? Would most of you prefer me to add spaces, change the em dashes to regular dashes, leave them alone, or something else? Thanks for any feedback you can give. Best, Allison To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in thesubject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. 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