[bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
- From: "Jill O'Connell" <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:47:42 -0700
It is possible I am missing them but I do look with a CCTV as I know that
Kurzweil often misses numbers.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mayrie ReNae
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Hi Jill,
Can we be certain that the roman numerals aren't printed in the books? I
know, for instance, that without exception, I never get page numbers containing
single digits to scan and have to insert them. I have checked, and again,
without exception, they are in the books that I have scanned. Do you think
it's possible that said Roman Numerals are in the books and are not scanning or
are scanning as unrecognizable junk?
Mayrie
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:55 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Since Bookshare has made such a point about not making any changes in the
books we scan including obvious printing errors, I consider adding numbers that
aren't printed in the book making changes.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Sure there's lower-case roman numerals. They are the ones not in caps.
I think many books begin their books with lower-case roman numerals. But,
don't know for sure.
Besides, it's just a suggestion, do it, don't do it, do some of it. It's
your call.
Bob
"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of us
will live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
----- Original Message -----
From: Jill O'Connell
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Mayrie, I'm curious to know what census came up with the idea of lower
case Roman numerals; is there even such a thing?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mayrie ReNae
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:05 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Hi Lori,
It isn't exact, but I have experienced what you are talking about.
I just number backward from roman numeral ix and if there are pages before
roman numeral i, well, then, I just leave them unnumbered.
Often there are pages before what the publisher seemed to consider
the first page of the book containing raves and things like that that they seem
not to consider pages.
Why do we number the preliminary pages? Because it makes sense, I
guess. And I assume that if the publisher actually numbered a page ix, then it
seems sensible that said publisher considered, or even did (but they didn't
scan) number the pages before that page with the preceding roman numerals.
This is not a step required by bookshare. Remember that bookshare
only requires that a book have all of its pages, an accurate copyright page and
title page, and 90% of page breaks, with the 90% of page numbers being in the
works to be required. The rest of what we have written about in our
documentation for proofreading and scanning are the things that a concensus of
quite a few people consider the best way to create the most readable books
possible. Since bookshare only requires the things I've mentioned above, as
Bob says, I guess the rest are just suggestions.
I do want to say that a lot of experience and conversation did go
into creating the suggestions that we created. And we didn't decide anything
just because we felt like making more work for ourselves or for other people.
I'm sorry everything isn't exact and set in stone. Or anywhere near
perfect in every single situation.
Mayrie
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:11 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Puzzling Problem
Hi, Everyone,
I have a very minor puzzling situation in a book I'm proofreading.
In one of the newer documents on what to do as a proofreader, it states
that we are to number preliminary pages with lower case Roman numerals
beginning with i.
However, in this book I am proofing, the acknowledgments begin on IX
(Roman numeral nine), but there are ten actual pages before the acknowledgments
begin. One is a blank page which I can remove, but even so there will still be
nine preliminary pages before the first page with a page number, Roman numeral
nine. Do I begin my lower case numerals with zero--is there a Roman numeral
for zero?
And why are we numbering these unnumbered preliminary pages anyway?
Bob, I'm waiting for a humorous answer from you, but also seriously
what do I do when the number of unnumbered pages is greater than the lower case
numerals?
Lori C.
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