[bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?

  • From: Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvarado@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:41:57 -0500

Sorry Roger.  Yes, now that you point out the error, (which I surely know,
duh), you are correct.  I understood what I was pointing to but put in the
wrong word.  I seem to be struggling with word finding sometimes now I have,
or am just about ready to, enter my 60s. Sorry, no excuse for that one!




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Okay, let's get our terminology straight. What do you mean when you say
change of scenery? Scenery usually refers to the surroundings that something
happens in. If we are talking about a play on stage it means the backdrop
that may be a painting of an outdoors panorama for example. In the case of a
book, if there is a description of what the surroundings might look like
that is the scenery. That is completely irrelevant to whether asterisks are
used. Now, could you mean change of scene? The scene is simply the place and
time that a particular set of actions take place. For example. a scene may
be a conversation taking place in someone's house. Then if the action
switches to a car driving down the highway then there has been a change of
scene. Undoubtedly there is also a change of scenery, but that is only
incidental. Changes of scenery are virtually never indicated by anything but
a description. A change of scene is most often indicated in other ways
because it means that the place and time has shifted. Now, you do not have
to worry about a change of scene, per se, either. The most common way an
author indicates a change of scene is with a blank line and that is what you
have to worry about. If there is a change of scene and there is no blank
line then do not insert asterisks. Where you insert the asterisks is when
there is a blank line. The reason that we are using three asterisks is
because the conversion tools eliminate blank lines and we want a blank line
where the author intended there to be a blank line to be retained. Another
way that some authors indicate a change of scene is with three asterisks,
but that is a bit old fashioned and you do not see it much anymore. I think,
though, that is why we chose to insert three asterisks rather than some
other symbol to retain those blank lines. The point is, though, that you
insert the asterisks when the author has inserted a blank line, not when
there is a change of scene. Almost always that will be when there is a
change of scene, but not necessarily because if the author came up with some
other reason to insert a blank line that would be where you would insert
three asterisks too. A change of scenery is completely irrelevant to this,
but if for some reason the scenery changed without a change of scene and the
author indicated it with a blank line then you would insert three asterisks.
I can't say that I have ever seen an author do that, but if one did then
that is where three asterisks go.

On 11/30/2012 4:28 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:

Ug! Confused once again! Maybe this just getting to be too much for me? I
just uploaded having put * * * between change of scenery lines.  Probably
will get it back! Ug.  Someday maybe I will understand, but have a headache
right now so will not worry about this book until it comes back!  Is it
supposed to be like this?


Line of text

. . .

Line of text


The utterly confused, hurting and tired one




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Except for one thing. The ellipsis is to be treated as a word. If it is at
the end of a sentence it consists of the three dots and then an additional
period for a total of four dots. If it indicates a change of scenery or
scene it is still treated that way and with no asterisks. A change of scene
may be indicated with an ellipsis or it may be indicated with a blank line
or it may be indicated with both. The three asterisks are to be used when
there is a blank line that we want to retain though. Most often that is an
indication of a passage of time or an indication of scene, but it does not
necessarily have to be. Whatever it indicates it is replaced with three
asterisks. It has nothing to do with the ellipsis.    

On 11/29/2012 11:41 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:

Hi Reggie,


This looks correct to me for a book where the page numbers are at the




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From: Regina Alvarado <mailto:reggie.alvarado@xxxxxxxxx>  

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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Proofing: Is this correct?


Received a book back for more editing.  Before I send back, I am trying to
proof the new way.  Want to know if this is correct.  I understand about the
font and points.  However, have a few other questions:


1.      When putting an ellipsis to denote change of scenery it is done like


Line of text

* * *

Line of text


2.      If the number is at the bottom of the page it is done like this? 


Last Line of text on a page


page number

Page break


3.      When there is a chapter name (understanding bolding and points and
fon) it is set up like this? 


First line below page break


Chapter number and title

First line of text


4.      When there is the start of a new page it is done like this. 


Line at top of page


First line of text


I will say thanks to anyone who helps.  Want to get this book up and not
have it come back for even more editing.




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