[bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?

  • From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:53:03 -0500

Okay, let's get our terminology straight. What do you mean when you say change of scenery? Scenery usually refers to the surroundings that something happens in. If we are talking about a play on stage it means the backdrop that may be a painting of an outdoors panorama for example. In the case of a book, if there is a description of what the surroundings might look like that is the scenery. That is completely irrelevant to whether asterisks are used. Now, could you mean change of scene? The scene is simply the place and time that a particular set of actions take place. For example. a scene may be a conversation taking place in someone's house. Then if the action switches to a car driving down the highway then there has been a change of scene. Undoubtedly there is also a change of scenery, but that is only incidental. Changes of scenery are virtually never indicated by anything but a description. A change of scene is most often indicated in other ways because it means that the place and time has shifted. Now, you do not have to worry about a change of scene, per se, either. The most common way an author indicates a change of scene is with a blank line and that is what you have to worry about. If there is a change of scene and there is no blank line then do not insert asterisks. Where you insert the asterisks is when there is a blank line. The reason that we are using three asterisks is because the conversion tools eliminate blank lines and we want a blank line where the author intended there to be a blank line to be retained. Another way that some authors indicate a change of scene is with three asterisks, but that is a bit old fashioned and you do not see it much anymore. I think, though, that is why we chose to insert three asterisks rather than some other symbol to retain those blank lines. The point is, though, that you insert the asterisks when the author has inserted a blank line, not when there is a change of scene. Almost always that will be when there is a change of scene, but not necessarily because if the author came up with some other reason to insert a blank line that would be where you would insert three asterisks too. A change of scenery is completely irrelevant to this, but if for some reason the scenery changed without a change of scene and the author indicated it with a blank line then you would insert three asterisks. I can't say that I have ever seen an author do that, but if one did then that is where three asterisks go.

On 11/30/2012 4:28 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:

Ug! Confused once again! Maybe this just getting to be too much for me? I just uploaded having put * * * between change of scenery lines. Probably will get it back! Ug. Someday maybe I will understand, but have a headache right now so will not worry about this book until it comes back! Is it supposed to be like this?

Line of text

. . .

Line of text

The utterly confused, hurting and tired one


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Except for one thing. The ellipsis is to be treated as a word. If it is at the end of a sentence it consists of the three dots and then an additional period for a total of four dots. If it indicates a change of scenery or scene it is still treated that way and with no asterisks. A change of scene may be indicated with an ellipsis or it may be indicated with a blank line or it may be indicated with both. The three asterisks are to be used when there is a blank line that we want to retain though. Most often that is an indication of a passage of time or an indication of scene, but it does not necessarily have to be. Whatever it indicates it is replaced with three asterisks. It has nothing to do with the ellipsis.

On 11/29/2012 11:41 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:

Hi Reggie,

This looks correct to me for a book where the page numbers are at the bottom.


    ----- Original Message -----

    *From:* Regina Alvarado <mailto:reggie.alvarado@xxxxxxxxx>

    *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:43 PM

    *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Proofing: Is this correct?

    Received a book back for more editing.  Before I send back, I am
    trying to proof the new way.  Want to know if this is correct.  I
    understand about the font and points.  However, have a few other

     1. When putting an ellipsis to denote change of scenery it is
        done like this?

    Line of text

    * * *

    Line of text

     2. If the number is at the bottom of the page it is done like this?

    Last Line of text on a page

    page number

    Page break

     3. When there is a chapter name (understanding bolding and
        points and fon) it is set up like this?

    First line below page break

    Chapter number and title

    First line of text

     4. When there is the start of a new page it is done like this.

    Line at top of page

    First line of text

    I will say thanks to anyone who helps.  Want to get this book up
    and not have it come back for even more editing.


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