Barbara, The Bookshare tools don't strip page numbers. Some volunteers incorrectly came to this conclusion when they couldn't see them in K-1000. However, just because they weren't able to see them in K-1000 doesn't mean that they were stripped. The problem was due to Bookshare and KESI storing the page numbers differently in the NCX file because the previous DAISY standard didn't specifically state how to store them. For proof that they weren't stripped, all you have to do is look at one of the BRF books or the HTML files which can be unpacked with the DAISY book. Now, that doesn't mean that page numbers might not be stripped by a volunteer who doesn't know what they are doing. If they use either K-1000 or OpenBook to strip the headers/footers automatically, then they'll strip the page numbers right along with the text since page numbers are part of either the header or the footer. Some new volunteers even think they are supposed to strip page numbers to make the text flow more smoothly when reading with speech. Now to answer your question as to how to handle page numbers at the bottom of the page so that the Bookshare tools will handle them properly. * Leave a blank line before the page number as insurance to make sure the Stripper doesn't get confused about the page number being the footer. * Strip any text if it happens to be in the footer along with spaces and tabs to make the Stripper's job of recognizing the page number simple. There's no harm in doing this because if the Stripper recognizes the footer, then it will strip the text anyway. * Leave a blank line between the page number and the page break to prevent the page number from becoming part of the last paragraph in the HTML file that can be unpacked with the DAISY book. Here's a few more steps to make sure the book turns out well * Since the page numbers aren't part of the header, then strip the entire header to prevent any headers from being left in the book because the Stripper overlooks them due to their not being identical to the other headers. Again, there's no harm in doing this because if the Stripper recognizes the header, then it will strip it anyway. * If there are chapter headings in the book, then you'll want to create a header for the Stripper to strip on that page to prevent the chapter heading from being stripped. I recommend using the title because I've seen someone use the word Header, and the Stripper left it in the book. This was probably due to it being added to pages which shouldn't have a header. There would have been less confusion on the part of the reader, though, if the title had been used, and possibly less on the tool's part as well. Now for the other case where page numbers are part of the header, since some of the newer volunteers may be wondering what to do to prevent problems due to the tool known as the Stripper * Leave a blank line between the page number and the page break to prevent the page number from becoming part of the first paragraph in the HTML file that can be unpacked with the DAISY book. * Strip any text, spaces, and tabs which happen to be in the header to make the Stripper's job of recognizing the page number simple. There's no harm in this since the Stripper will strip them anyway if it recognizes the header. * Do not put anything above the page number-including dashes, asterisks, or other symbols-because that will make that line the header, and page numbers must be in the header or footer in order for the tool to process them. BTW, if page numbers aren't allowed to be processed because volunteers add that extra line above the page number thinking they are preventing the page number from being stripped, then it will cause two sets of page numbers in the BRF and HTML files: the real page numbers which have now become part of the main text and the page numbers which the Stripper uses as a default because it couldn't find any page numbers, and the two sets may or may not agree depending on how the pages in the book are numbered. * Leave a blank line after the page number as insurance to make sure the Stripper doesn't get confused about the page number being the header * If the book has chapter headings, then move the page number from the bottom of the page to the top of the page if the page number is included at the bottom of the page. If the page with the chapter heading doesn't include a page number, then add one above the chapter heading. Use the same guidelines as mentioned above for handling the page number if it were part of the header. Adding the page number or moving it to the top of the page will prevent the Stripper from confusing the chapter heading with a header and stripping it. Here are a few examples of how pages should look for those who understand better from examples. Just as a note, I'm using [Page Break] to represent a page break and a vertical ellipsis (three periods each on a line by itself), followed by Main Text, and another vertical ellipsis to represent the main text on the page since I don't want to copy a page from a book or make up a bunch of text, and because I want to keep the examples short. Example of a page with a chapter heading when the page numbers are normally at the top of the page [Page Break] 41 CHAPTER THREE . . . Main Text . . . [Page Break] Example of a page with a chapter heading when the page numbers are always found at the bottom of the page [Page Break] The Pelican Brief Chapter 7 . . . Main Text . . . [Page Break] Example of a page without a chapter heading when pages appear at the top of the page [Page Break] 80 . . . Main Text . . . [Page Break] Example of a page without a chapter heading when pages appear at the bottom of the page [Page Break] . . . Main Text . . . 99 [Page Break] HTH Gerald P.S. People, Yes,I know some of you use other methods to protect chapter headings, and I also know that some of the methods volunteers recommend don't actually work after all because I've looked into what works and what doesn't, so everyone please refrain from explaining how they do it to prevent confusion. Thanks, Gerald -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara J Wagreich Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:38 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Barbara J Wagreich Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Page numbers Hi: I have a book of poems I wnat to submit. the page nubmers are at the bottom of each page. How do I enter the page nubmers so they won't get stripped out in the conversion process to daisy and braille formats? Also the back cover page has relevant info. where do I insert this info? at the end of th e book? Thanks, Barbara Wagreich To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. 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