[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page breaks missing

  • From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 02:05:33 -0700 (PDT)

Nope--I didn't do that one. smile

Cindy

--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> It was called Absolution Gap by Alastair Reynolds; a
> Science Fiction novel. 
> If anyone put page breaks in it, they worked awfully
> fast, because I 
> submitted the book on Tuesday, January 17, and it
> was approved just two days 
> later. I was, and still am, listed as a Bookshare
> volunteer, since I don't 
> like broadcasting my email address everywhere. I
> have considered changing 
> that, but haven't done so yet.
> 
> Evan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:42 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Page breaks missing
> 
> 
> > I'm curious, Evan. Do you remember what the book
> was
> > that you submitted that didn't have page breaks?
> Was
> > it a Western?
> >
> > I've validated at least two books in that
> condition,
> > and I put the page breaks in. In one case, perhaps
> > both, I did check to see who submitted the book.
> When
> > I come across a book that has problems like that,
> if
> > it was submitted by someone who is on the list and
> who
> > tries and who seems nice I fix them. If a book has
> the
> > same problems and other scannos but is by a
> bookshare
> > volunteer or someone I know doesn't care, I'll
> reject
> > it.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> You could BSO them if it is really nagging at
> you.
> >> <grin>. You wouldn't even
> >> have to rescan them if you still have the
> original
> >> files, and the original
> >> books if you want to make certain to avoid any
> >> mistakes.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the first book I submitted didn't
> >> even have page breaks, let
> >> alone page numbers. I always used to take them
> out
> >> when reading through my
> >> scans before joining Bookshare, thinking them
> >> unnecessary in an electronic
> >> file. This was January 2006, after the policy
> about
> >> page breaks being
> >> required was instituted; but I was unaware of it,
> >> and whoever validated my
> >> book either was also unaware of it, or just
> didn't
> >> bother to look or didn't
> >> care; and the staff - Gustavo at the time -
> >> apparently didn't check either -
> >> relying on the validator's good judgment, I
> guess. I
> >> could resubmit it with
> >> the page breaks intact - since I still have the
> >> original book and the
> >> original file - but I keep procrastinating. Other
> >> than missing page breaks
> >> and page numbers, the text quality is great,
> since I
> >> read through all of it.
> >> I would have to add nearly 600 of them, along
> with
> >> the page numbers, looking
> >> through the book and finding where each page
> ends. I
> >> keep thinking that I
> >> should redo it, but there are so many other books
> I
> >> want to do; and my
> >> standards are a lot higher now than they were
> then -
> >> having developed a
> >> serious case of Deranged Perfectionism. So I just
> >> don't think about it too
> >> much. <smile>. Maybe someday....
> >>
> >> I did do a BSO of one of my own books last year
> >> because it had hard returns
> >> at the end of every line of print, and I was not
> >> aware - or it wasn't up on
> >> Jake's site at the time - of the method for
> >> eliminating them while not
> >> losing those at the ends of paragraphs. I have
> read
> >> that tip since then, but
> >> I still don't think I understand it.
> >>
> >> I think many of us here have early submissions
> that
> >> would be inconceivable
> >> to put up now. I thought I was doing a great job
> at
> >> the time, but my
> >> standards have evolved over time, just as
> >> Bookshare's standards have
> >> improved. I don't know whether I want to go back
> and
> >> redo every book from
> >> back then, even though I know that they don't
> meet
> >> my standards of today.
> >>
> >> At the same time, I do want to encourage people
> to
> >> do a better job with
> >> their submissions than I started out doing
> because I
> >> have a better sense of
> >> all the different ways these books may be read
> and
> >> therefore why it is
> >> important to keep them as authentic to the
> printed
> >> version as possible.
> >>
> >> In other words, if you know you're doing the best
> >> job you can now, unless
> >> the old books are unreadable, I would concentrate
> on
> >> what you're doing now
> >> to add books to the collection.
> >>
> >> Evan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Julia Kulak" <julia.kulak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:37 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers
> >>
> >>
> >> > Wow! That was a wonderful story, can I frame
> it,
> >> smile. Is there anything
> >> > I can do about all the poor little books I
> >> submitted that had no page
> >> > numbers?
> >> > Julia
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:27 PM
> >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Allison,
> >> >>
> >> >> You are in a fix because you say your scanner
> >> can't pick up the page
> >> >> numbers. Most of us are blind and would have
> the
> >> same problem with your
> >> >> book that's nipping at you. I'm so glad you're
> on
> >> this list where we can
> >> >> answer your questions and direct you to
> helpful
> >> resources.
> >> >>
> >> >> Miraculously, Grand Cindy and Jamie Yates have
> >> made  a hobby of helping
> >> >> us with books that confuse our scanners In
> your
> >> place, those like me who
> >> >> don't have handy or willing local sighted
> help,
> >> ask Cindy or Jamie.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's how they can help you. If you tell them
> >> the name and ISBN of your
> >> >> book, they'll check with multiple libraries
> and
> >> contact you when they
> >> >> pick up the book that's giving you trouble.
> They
> >> can tell you where to
> >> >> place the page one. Then, they can tell you if
> >> any pages are missing or
> >> >> skipped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unless there's an insert of photographs or
> >> unnumbered pages throughout
> >> >> the book, after you know where page one is,
> you
> >> just put the page numbers
> >> >> in order on the second line of each page.
> You'd
> >> leave the top line blank,
> >> >> then write the page number on the left margin.
> >> Then leave another blank
> >> >> line and after that the text would start. I
> think
> >> you already know to
> >> >> leave a blank line after the last line of text
> at
> >> the bottom of the page,
> >> >> too.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a masters and taught for 27 years.
> Books
> >> without pages gave me
> >> >> fits, frustrating me in studying or preparing
> >> lessons and wasting so much
> >> >> time I couldn't afford.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now, I use page numbers to measure my progress
> >> and in book discussion
> >> >> groups with sighted readers, to find pages
> they
> >> are referring to. Without
> >> >> page numbers, instead of interrupting the
> >> discussions to ask members to
> >> >> help me find the place, I just sit quietly
> when
> >> everyone turns to page
> >> >> 127 because I know by the time I find it page,
> if
> >> I find it, they'll have
> >> >> moved on to another point in the book or in
> the
> >> conversation.
> >> >>
> >> >> I lose track of how long newer members have
> been
> >> on the list. It's about
> >> >> 2 and a half years for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> I remember when Bud was a new volunteer. He's
> not
> >> trying to pick on you
> >> >> when he encourages you to put in those page
> >> numbers. He endured the same
> >> >> sequence of shocks as he learned the finer
> points
> >> of submitting good
> >> >> scans. He is primarily if not completely, a
> >> scanner.
> >> >>
> >> >> When he learned that to protect page numbers
> and
> >> chapter heads we have to
> >> >> leave a blank line above and below each page
> >> number he wrote something
> >> >> like, "You mean I have to put in all of those
> >> blank lines and page
> >> >> numbers by hand? That's going to add hours!"
> He
> >> may even have mentioned
> >> >> about needing a little comfort beverage to get
> >> over this new demand on
> >> >> his time!
> >> >>
> >> >> Forgive me, Bud, if I have this wrong. I'm
> going
> >> by memory and you went
> >> >> through this ages ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> Back to my story. There was a lapse of days
> until
> >> we heard from Bud
> >> >> again. he'd been a great, upbeat, gentlemanly
> >> addition to the list and I
> >> >> worried if the added work to preparing his
> >> submission would be the end of
> >> >> his volunteering. Then one day, he wrote one
> of
> >> his welcome announcements
> >> >> that he had a new book ready for our
> validating
> >> pleasure. Pointedly he
> >> >> announced., "All of the page numbers are
> present
> >> and I have left a blank
> >> >> line before and after each one."
> >> >>
> >> >> I grinned all over my face and drank a toast
> of
> >> diet pop to him!
> >> >>
> >> >> I have the very good fortune of validating for
> >> several superior scanners.
> >> >> One of them put a book on step one for me
> whose
> >> text was perfect. I was
> >> >> shocked to see weird stuff for page numbers
> and
> >> questions which were
> >> >> supposed to be numbered without numbers in it.
> >> Since this was the first
> >> >> book ever of over 30 books from her with this
> >> problem I messaged her
> >> >> asking what happened. She admitted she just
> >> couldn't get them to come
> >> >> out. She hoped I could make more since of the
> >> scrambled clues which were
> >> >> all she had to give. We work together so much
> >> that I knew she'd
> >> >> understand when I asked her to take her book
> back
> >> for a few weeks and
> >> >> store it on her step 2 page while I ordered a
> >> copy of her book from
> >> >> Amazon. We knew Bookshare would accept the
> book
> >> without the numbers, but
> >> >> we also new another member was likely to BSO
> it,
> >> and then she'd get a
> >> >> notice from Bookshare that her book was
> replaced
> >> by a better copy, better
> >> >> because someone would have taken it to put in
> the
> >> page numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >> My copy has come now, and though using my one
> >> seeing eye gives me
> >> >> headaches, I use it when I must, with lots of
> >> magnification. The page
> >> >> numbers were missing because they were written
> in
> >> really pale ink, so
> >> >> light I think the scanner didn't pick them up.
> >> The question numbers were
> >> >> missing because each one was inside a white
> star
> >> which was itself inside
> >> >> a black ball. I also used a duplicate copy to
> get
> >> the chapter headers for
> >> >> another of my friends whose scans are
> wonderful.
> >> It turned out these were
> >> >> in cursive writing! What a pain...but entirely
> >> worth it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sometimes When I'm validating, I can't figure
> out
> >> problems I encounter.
> >> >> Then I have to hold the book while Cindy or
> Jamie
> >> gets a copy and helps
> >> >> me out off list.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unless a validator uses an opticon or has a
> >> better scanner than yours,
> >> >> they probably can't figure out problems that
> your
> >> scanner can't see. So,
> >> >> either you or the validator calls on Cindy and
> >> works on other projects
> >> >> until they can help. I wonder just how many
> >> different volunteers they've
> >> >> assisted?
> >> >>
> >> >> Cindy? Jamie? Have you counted?
> >> >>
> >> >> We all have different reading styles and some
> of
> >> us use page numbers more
> >> >> than others. Jill, E, Grand Cindy, Jane,
> Maithe,
> >> the guys, and I am
> >> >> explaining the whys and hows of part of the
> >> process that most new
> >> >> volunteers have to learn. Sooner than you can
> >> imagine, you'll be the one
> >> >> explaining it.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the same Allison who was at the
> >> interesting nonfiction book
> >> >> meeting, aren't you? You suggested several
> >> interesting books. I've
> >> >> downloaded the Glass Castle and another person
> >> who was there downloaded
> >> >> another of the books you mentioned. I'm
> looking
> >> forward to discussing the
> >> >> social aspects of the Grimms' fairy tales with
> >> you at our next meeting.
> >> >> Don't expect me to recall any of the crowds of
> >> Germans the author quotes.
> >> >> I don't even try to pronounce those names, let
> >> alone remember them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Always with love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Lissi
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Allison" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:04 PM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Evan wrote:
> >> >>> "There will likely always be a minority
> >> >>>> of submitters and/or validators who don't
> care
> >> about future readers..."
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Evan,
> >> >>> please don't imply that I don't care about
> >> future readers.  I do.  I
> >> >>> don't feel that was a very nice thing to say.
> >> >>> You may remember, that I offered you the
> chance
> >> to put in my page
> >> >>> numbers, but you declined saying you were
> just
> >> too busy.  Well then, if
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> won't take the time to put in page numbers
> >> either, please don't complain
> >> >>> or
> >> >>> say that the rest of us just don't care.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Allison
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >>> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:17 PM
> >> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> It does appear that a consensus is emerging:
> >> Keep page numbers, or add
> >> >>>> them if they do not scan properly. There
> will
> >> likely always be a
> >> >>>> minority
> >> >>>> of submitters and/or validators who don't
> care
> >> about future readers,
> >> >>>> but I
> >> >>>> am glad to see such a preponderance of
> posters
> >> in favor of maintaining
> >> >>>> page number integrity.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Evan
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >>>> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:22 PM
> >> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> If somebody uses a fiction book as part of
> a
> >> paper they need to refer
> >> >>>>> to
> >> >>>>> page numbers in a term paper or thesis.
> >> Please keep page numbers.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> E.
> >> >>>>> At 02:05 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote:
> >> >>>>>>This is news to me that page numbers are
> "not"
> >> required. When
> >> >>>>>>eliminating
> >> >>>>>>the headings on pages that have been
> scanned,
> >> it would make my job
> >> >>>>>>much
> >> >>>>>>easier if I did not have to preserve the
> page
> >> numbers. This would mean
> >> >>>>>>a
> >> >>>>>>book without page numbers. I just started
> >> eliminating the headings,
> >> >>>>>>since
> >> >>>>>>most people want them removed prior to
> >> uploading. With fiction I could
> >> >>>>>>see that people would like to read and not
> be
> >> interrupted by page
> >> >>>>>>numbers.  So what is the consensus here?
> >> Should I leave the page
> >> >>>>>>numbers
> >> >>>>>>in or out?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Jim Nuttall--Michigan
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----
> >> >>>>>>From: Bud Schwab <budschwab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 12:07:50 PM
> >> >>>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Hi Allison,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I don't do validating, I just scan and
> submit.
> >>  I've never had a book
> >> >>>>>>that had no page numbers at all
> fortunately.
> >> I just put in numbers
> >> >>>>>>where they are missing for some reason. 
> Since
> >> they're not required
> >> >>>>>>as yet I suppose the validator doesn't have
> to
> >> add them either.
> >> >>>>>>Best.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>BudAt 10:59 PM 10/7/2007, you wrote:
> >> >>>>>> >Evan or Bud, I'll have my book ready to
> >> submit in a day or so.  I'm
> >> >>>>>> >pre-validating it, correcting errors and
> >> such, but not putting page
> >> >>>>>> >numbers in.  But since you say that you,
> as
> >> careful scanners and
> >> >>>>>> >validaters, always put page numbers in by
> >> hand, I'm asking you,
> >> >>>>>> >would you like to put the page numbers in
> my
> >> book?  You're welcome
> >> >>>>>> >to it.  I would be happy to put "hold for
> >> one of you" in the title
> >> >>>>>> >when I submit it.
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> >Best,
> >> >>>>>> >Allison
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan
> >> Reese"
> >> >>>>>> ><mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:39 PM
> >> >>>>>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page
> Numbers
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> >>I should have said that that's what I
> and
> >> other careful scanners
> >> >>>>>> >>and validators do. Didn't mean to diss
> >> scanners - especially since
> >> >>>>>> >>I do more scanning than validating
> myself.
> >> <grin>
> >> >>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>> >>Evan
> >> >>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan
> >> Reese"
> >> >>>>>> >><mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >>Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:56 PM
> >> >>>>>> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page
> Numbers
> >> >>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>> >>>Yup, that's what I do and what other
> >> careful validators do.
> >> >>>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>Evan
> >> >>>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Julia
> >> Kulak"
> >> >>>>>> <julia.kulak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >>>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:11 AM
> >> >>>>>> >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page
> Numbers
> >> >>>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>Hmmm, so if your scanner just refuses
> to
> >> get them most of the
> >> >>>>>> >>>>time you ad them in manually?
> >> >>>>>> >>>>Julia
> >> >>>>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Jane
> >> Dickison"
> >> >>>>>> >>>><janebiz@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:33 PM
> >> >>>>>> >>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Page Numbers
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>Hi Everybody,
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>I know we've been batting this page
> >> numbers thing back and
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>forth, but I think the page numbers
> >> should become more important
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>because we are probably going to have
> a
> >> lot more students
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>downloading for school.  An educator
> >> might ask them to read any
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>of our books.  Having the page number
> >> would make it easier for
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>her to make reference points.
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>OK.....Start throwing those tomatoes.
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> >>>>>Jane D.
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