Hmmm, I don't recall any examples off the top of my head where I needed to make that decision. But, thinking about it just now, I would probably put them at the bottom of the page. No particular reason, though, and I don't think it really matters. But if page numbers are not at the tops of the pages, the asterisks might be stripped out if you put them at the top of the next page. But if the page numbers are at the top, then I think it's six of one or a half dozen of the other.
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Me, too. But what about when theyr'e not there and you need to put them in? If it ahppens to occur at the end of a page, do you put them at the bottom of the current page, or at the top of the next one when the new scene begins? ----- Original Message ----- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:15 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, Chapter Headings and Scene BreaksIn the case where the book has asterisks already in it, I just leave them where the publisher or the author put them.Evan----- Original Message ----- From: "BlindGeek" <yakkoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:00 AMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, Chapter Headings and Scene BreaksWell, I've got news for you, Cindy. I used to do the same thing. It hadn't even occurred to me to change this, even though I read books and continued to have momentary confusion. I'm not sure why, but one night I was reading and lo and behold, there were asterisks at the bottom of the page and voila, a lightbulb went off in my head. (Incidentally, the electric bill that month was quite interesting. . . . Okay, actually it wasn't, but I had to make a funny.)Now, my final question about those asterisks ... sometimes they're at the bottom of a page in a book, and sometimes they're at the top of a page. Does anybody know if there's a hard and fast rule about whether or when the astiersks should be at the top of a page where the new scene begins or at the bottom of the page where the old scene ends? For some reason I'm not sure about, I prefer them at the top of the page where the new scene begins, but more often I see it at the bottom of the old scene's page.Thanks for any and all help, you guys rock!----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:05 AMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, Chapter Headings and Scene BreaksI am *so* glad that I waited to reply to Eric until I finished reading all my mail. Thank you, Mayrie, for answering him so promptly and accurately--and Eric, you made it relatively easy by figuring everything out correctly. And actually, your last paragraph will help me to do better validations. Where there are asterisks in the print book, I put them in, but where the are double spaces to indicate change of scene, I've been putting double or triple spaces. Noting that you say that that is confusing and asterisks make it easier to understand, henceforth I shall do that with a line space before and after. Thank you for the information. G.Cindy --- Mayrie ReNae <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi Eric! You're awesome! You've got it all correct! Surround both page numbers and page breaks with blank lines. So, your pages will look like this: Page break Blank line Page number Blank line Text on the page Blank line Next page break. You are absolutely right, the concensus is that page numbers at the tops of pages makes navigation easier. Putting them at the tops of pages is not required, but many of us do move them there when they appear at the bottom. Inserting asterisks to denote scene changes is just what many of us also do. It's terrific, and thoughtful. Now, as for chapter headings. I'll try not to wax terribly verbose on this. When page numbers appear at the tops of all pages, your chapter headings will not be deleted. Though it may not be perfectly in accordance with the printed book, when just a numeral indicates a chapter heading, I add the word Chapter, as you stated. I do this so that an inexperienced validator won't accidentally think that a single character on a line is a scanning error and remove it. If, for some reason, you have a book in which the page numbers appear at the bottoms of pages, and you do not feel inclined to move them, you can still protect the chapter heading from being stripped. Just insert the page number at the top of each page containing a chapter heading as well as leaving it at the bottom. Chapter headings need, also, to be surrounded by blank lines. A page containing a chapter heading should appear like this: Page break Blank line Page number Blank line Chapter heading Blank line Text on the page Blank line Next page break. When you treat chapter headings as I have described, the page numbers at the tops of the pages that you inserted to protect the chapter headings may well be stripped. That's okay, because the page number is as you left it at the bottom of the page, and your chapter heading will remain. Just to be thorough, in case you choose not to move page numbers at the bottoms of pages, a page containing text and page number at the bottom should look like this: Page break Blank line Text on the page Blank line Page number Blank line Next page break. Sorry this was such a long note. Now that you've gotten through it, the short of it is that you have EXACTLY the right ideas about how to handle the things that you asked about. Carry on! And I just love to work with folks as conscientious, and careful as you are! Thank you! Peace, Mayrie At 01:01 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote: >Hi. My name's Eric Troup. Some of you may remember me because I >used to frequent the Bookshare mailing list. > >I've been looking over the submission guidelines for volunteers and >have a couple questions. > >First, regarding page numbers: I understand that we have to keep the >page numbers sequential to match the book. I assume, therefore, >that although headers ought to be removed (page headrs, I mean), the >page number itself should remain. Is this correct? Furthermore, if >the book has page numbers on the bottom of each page, oughtn't we >put them at the top instead, for ease of reference? > >And while on the subject of pages, when I look at a .rtf document >using Wordpad, there's only a line break between the end of one page >and the beginning of another. No real page break at all. (I >currently don't have Microsoft Word, but if memory serves, it did in >fact let you know when you moved onto a new page of an .rtf >file.) Should we be putting a blank line above and below the page >number at the top of a page? > >My next question concerns chapter headings. Once, I had occasion to >read the copy of a book I'd submitted after it'd been posted to >Bookshare, and found to my slight annoyance that the chapter >headings were missing. Now, in this book, the chapter heading >consisted of a number. That's it. Just a line with a 1 or 2 or >what-have-you. Those lines were, apparently, being deleted >automatically because I made sure I put them in. (The book as >scanned had no headings at all either, but I know having read other >books in the same series with an Optacon that the chapter number is >there, it's just enclosed in a graphic which the OCR software can't >usually read. In my recent submissions, I solved this problem >thusly: if the chapter heading was "1," I'd write "Chapter 1" in its >place. If the heading was "One," I'd wrie "Chapter One" >instead. Should I stop doing this? Is that considered editing an >author's work? > >My final question involves scene breaks which are normally >designated with a double-space in printed material. Reading >Bookshare books, I've sometimes found it jarring, trying to figure >out what's going on. Obvoiusly, context usually shows me that a new >scene has started, but sometimes that takes a paragraph or two, >particularly if the previous scene ended with dialogue and the new >scene begins with dialogue. I noticed that in printed works, when a >scene ends at the end of a page, the scene is shown to be ending >with three asterisks on an otherwise blank line ("* * *"). So, I >took it upon myself to simply insert these asterisks into a book >where there was normally a double-space between scenes. I find >that, for myself, this makes the experience of reading a book with a >speech synthesizer much easier, since I don't have to distract >myself from the story long enough to figure out why what I'm reading >doesn't make much sense. 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