[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, Chapter Headings and Scene Breaks

  • From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:35:17 -0800 (PST)

Oh, my goodness. I wish I'd known that ages ago. 

Sometimes I haven't even noticed the asterisks that
are in a book until I'm halfway through. Then I try to
go back and see if I've missed any and put them in,
but I probably haven't been entirely successful. 

G.Cindy

--- EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> It's better to put the asterisks in between changes
> of scene for another 
> reason: The braille translator seems to remove all
> blank lines from books, 
> so braille readers won't get them in their versions.
> I have yet to see a 
> blank line in a brf version of a Bookshare book -
> even where I know they 
> were in the file I submitted or validated. So if you
> don't put the asterisks 
> in, braille readers will not see the blank line that
> a print reader would 
> see indicating change of scene or passage of time. I
> have found that some 
> books put them in even if the scene changes in the
> middle of a page. For 
> those that don't, I now put them in myself.
> 
> Evan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:05 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers, Chapter
> Headings and Scene 
> Breaks
> 
> 
> >I am *so* glad that I waited to reply to Eric until
> I
> > finished reading all my mail. Thank you, Mayrie,
> for
> > answering him so promptly and accurately--and
> Eric,
> > you made it relatively easy by figuring everything
> out
> > correctly.
> >
> > And actually, your last paragraph will help me to
> do
> > better validations. Where there are asterisks in
> the
> > print book, I put them in, but where the are
> double
> > spaces to indicate change of scene, I've been
> putting
> > double or triple spaces. Noting that you say that
> that
> > is confusing and asterisks make it easier to
> > understand, henceforth I shall do that with a line
> > space before and after. Thank you for the
> information.
> >
> > G.Cindy
> > --- Mayrie ReNae <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Eric!
> >>
> >>          You're awesome!  You've got it all
> correct!
> >>  Surround both
> >> page numbers and page breaks with blank lines. 
> So,
> >> your pages will
> >> look like this:
> >>
> >> Page break
> >> Blank line
> >> Page number
> >> Blank line
> >> Text on the page
> >> Blank line
> >> Next page break.
> >>
> >>          You are absolutely right, the concensus
> is
> >> that page numbers
> >> at the tops of pages makes navigation easier.
> >> Putting them at the
> >> tops of pages is not required, but many of us do
> >> move them there when
> >> they appear at the bottom.
> >>
> >>          Inserting asterisks to denote scene
> changes
> >> is just what
> >> many of us also do.  It's terrific, and
> thoughtful.
> >>
> >>          Now, as for chapter headings.  I'll try
> not
> >> to wax terribly
> >> verbose on this.  When page numbers appear at the
> >> tops of all pages,
> >> your chapter headings will not be deleted. 
> Though
> >> it may not be
> >> perfectly in accordance with the printed book,
> when
> >> just a numeral
> >> indicates a chapter heading, I add the word
> Chapter,
> >> as you
> >> stated.  I do this so that an inexperienced
> >> validator won't
> >> accidentally think that a single character on a
> line
> >> is a scanning
> >> error and remove it.
> >>
> >>          If, for some reason, you have a book in
> >> which the page
> >> numbers appear at the bottoms of pages, and you
> do
> >> not feel inclined
> >> to move them, you can still protect the chapter
> >> heading from being
> >> stripped.  Just insert the page number at the top
> of
> >> each page
> >> containing a chapter heading as well as leaving
> it
> >> at the
> >> bottom.  Chapter headings need, also, to be
> >> surrounded by blank
> >> lines.  A page containing a chapter heading
> should
> >> appear like this:
> >>
> >> Page break
> >> Blank line
> >> Page number
> >> Blank line
> >> Chapter heading
> >> Blank line
> >> Text on the page
> >> Blank line
> >> Next page break.
> >>
> >> When you treat chapter headings as I have
> described,
> >> the page numbers
> >> at the tops of the pages that you inserted to
> >> protect the chapter
> >> headings may well be stripped.  That's okay,
> because
> >> the page number
> >> is as you left it at the bottom of the page, and
> >> your chapter heading
> >> will remain.
> >>
> >> Just to be thorough, in case you choose not to
> move
> >> page numbers at
> >> the bottoms of pages, a page containing text and
> >> page number at the
> >> bottom should look like this:
> >>
> >> Page break
> >> Blank line
> >> Text on the page
> >> Blank line
> >> Page number
> >> Blank line
> >> Next page break.
> >>
> >> Sorry this was such a long note.  Now that you've
> >> gotten through it,
> >> the short of it is that you have EXACTLY the
> right
> >> ideas about how to
> >> handle the things that you asked about.  Carry
> on!
> >> And I just love
> >> to work with folks as conscientious, and careful
> as
> >> you are!  Thank you!
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Mayrie
> >>
> >> At 01:01 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
> >> >Hi.  My name's Eric Troup.  Some of you may
> >> remember me because I
> >> >used to frequent the Bookshare mailing list.
> >> >
> >> >I've been looking over the submission guidelines
> >> for volunteers and
> >> >have a couple questions.
> >> >
> >> >First, regarding page numbers: I understand that
> we
> >> have to keep the
> >> >page numbers sequential to match the book.  I
> >> assume, therefore,
> >> >that although headers ought to be removed (page
> >> headrs, I mean), the
> >> >page number itself should remain.  Is this
> correct?
> >>  Furthermore, if
> >> >the book has page numbers on the bottom of each
> >> page, oughtn't we
> >> >put them at the top instead, for ease of
> reference?
> >> >
> >> >And while on the subject of pages, when I look
> at a
> >> .rtf document
> >> >using Wordpad, there's only a line break between
> >> the end of one page
> >> >and the beginning of another.  No real page
> break
> >> at all.  (I
> >> >currently don't have Microsoft Word, but if
> memory
> >> serves, it did in
> >> >fact let you know when you moved onto a new page
> of
> >> an .rtf
> >> >file.)  Should we be putting a blank line above
> and
> >> below the page
> >> >number at the top of a page?
> >> >
> >> >My next question concerns chapter headings. 
> Once,
> >> I had occasion to
> >> >read the copy of a book I'd submitted after it'd
> >> been posted to
> >> >Bookshare, and found to my slight annoyance that
> >> the chapter
> >> >headings were missing.  Now, in this book, the
> >> chapter heading
> >> >consisted of a number.  That's it.  Just a line
> >> with a 1 or 2 or
> >> >what-have-you.  Those lines were, apparently,
> being
> >> deleted
> >> >automatically because I made sure I put them in.
> >> (The book as
> >> >scanned had no headings at all either, but I
> know
> >> having read other
> >> >books in the same series with an Optacon that
> the
> >> chapter number is
> >> >there, it's just enclosed in a graphic which the
> >> OCR software can't
> >> >usually read.  In my recent submissions, I
> solved
> >> this problem
> >> >thusly: if the chapter heading was "1," I'd
> write
> >> "Chapter 1" in its
> >> >place.  If the heading was "One," I'd wrie
> "Chapter
> >> One"
> >> >instead.  Should I stop doing this?  Is that
> >> considered editing an
> >> >author's work?
> >> >
> >> >My final question involves scene breaks which
> are
> >> normally
> >> >designated with a double-space in printed
> material.
> >>  Reading
> >> >Bookshare books, I've sometimes found it
> jarring,
> >> trying to figure
> >> >out what's going on.  Obvoiusly, context usually
> >> shows me that a new
> >> >scene has started, but sometimes that takes a
> >> paragraph or two,
> >> >particularly if the previous scene ended with
> >> dialogue and the new
> >> >scene begins with dialogue.  I noticed that in
> >> printed works, when a
> >> >scene ends at the end of a page, the scene is
> shown
> >> to be ending
> >> >with three asterisks on an otherwise blank line
> ("*
> >> * *").  So, I
> >> >took it upon myself to simply insert these
> >> asterisks into a book
> >> >where there was normally a double-space between
> >> scenes.  I find
> >> >that, for myself, this makes the experience of
> >> reading a book with a
> >> >speech synthesizer much easier, since I don't
> have
> >> to distract
> >> >myself from the story long enough to figure out
> why
> >> what I'm reading
> >> >doesn't make much sense.  Similar to my question
> >> about chapter
> >> >headings, is my inserting the asterisks
> considered
> >> editing the
> >> >author's work?  Should I stop doing this in my
> >> Bookshare submissions?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks.
> >> >
> >>
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