[bksvol-discuss] Re: Ok, I'm confused! What's next?

  • From: Jack and Becky <icanjam@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:37:33 -0500

WHAT Alan said! Same goes for me! LOVED it! Thanks Tracy!! 

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> On Aug 18, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Cindy Rosenthal <grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Kim, that's nicely anad clearly put.
>  Gart, if there are center aligned sections if you're working in Word, there 
> is, I think what's called a ribbon, or ruler? .. something that sows, among 
> other things (under view, little sqarres with lines; to have made you 
> document all flush left youmay have clicked on the little square that shows 
> that; if you have a center alligned sectionyou can highlight that section and 
> click on the little square that shows   it (I don't think I'm describing it 
> correctlyand if you're not using word I'm no help
>  What is the book? If I can get it from the library I'll be happy to take 
> your book and "Daisy" it for you (and I will read your Comments You can write 
> me off list  if you want
>  Cindy
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Gary Petraccaro <garypet130@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> wrote:
>> Your last suggestion more approximates what the book looks like.  The 
>> sections number 7 in a 613 page book.  There can be a dozen or more numbered 
>> subsections.  No headings without numbers under the subsections.
>> I hope someone will take this book and double check my daisying.  I have not 
>> tried to do this before and do not want to cause more work.
>> Thanks. And, whoever gets this book please make sure to check the submision 
>> note.
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Judy s.
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:51 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ok, I'm confused! What's next?
>> 
>> Hi Gary,
>> 
>> Put the title in 20 point and bold only on the title page.  Back when Scott 
>> was the volunteer coordinator he said it was ok to make it 20 point and bold 
>> everywhere, but it turns out that for DAISY navigation to be correct we're 
>> only supposed to make it 20 point and bold on the title page.
>> 
>> The author's name being in 18 point and bold on the title page is something 
>> that has been added to the suggested standards in the last two or so years. 
>> A book isn't going to get kicked back for more work if the author's name 
>> isn't done that way, but it's what's preferred currently.
>> 
>> Give us some more detail on what the book has in terms of sections and 
>> subsections, like maybe how they appear in the table of contents?  If it 
>> doesn't have chapters per say, and the sections look equivalent to chapter 
>> headings, then I'd treat them as chapter headings and make them 16 point and 
>> bold, and the numbered subchapters 14 point and bold.  If, however, the 
>> sections look more equivalent to a book that is split up into parts, like 
>> part 1 to part 4, with subsections 1 to whatever in each part, that would 
>> make me lean towards making the sections 18 point and bold and the 
>> subsections 16 point and bold.
>> 
>> Judy s.
>> 
>>> On 8/17/2014 8:51 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
>>>     Need more clarification.  I have a book which has sections, called 
>>> sections, and numbered items under each section.  Should these be 
>>> considered chapters, or should the sections be considered chapters and the 
>>> numbered items subchapters?  Second, in this book, the title appears 
>>> several times in the book at the very beginning of the book, with the 
>>> author and publisher info several pages later and right before the text of 
>>> the book.  Should the title be in 20 point bold Everywhere or just the page 
>>> with all the other information?
>>> Appreciate the help.  Thanks.
>>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Judy s.
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:06 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ok, I'm confused! What's next?
>>> 
>>> Hi Deb, a little correction to Kim's instructions, as well as some 
>>> additional stuff to look out for. smile.
>>> 
>>> The formatting for the book under Bookshare's current standards should be 
>>> as follows:
>>> 
>>> 1. On the title page for the book (the page where the title appears, the 
>>> author's name appears, and the publisher appears)
>>> 
>>> Title: 20 point and bold.
>>> Author's Name: 18 point and bold (not 20 point)
>>> anything else (like the publisher's name): 12 point and no bold
>>> 
>>> 2. For the rest of the book:
>>> 
>>> Parts/Sections/Books: 18 point and bold.
>>> Chapters: 16 point and bold.
>>> Subchapters/subsections: 14 point and bold.
>>> Text: 12 point and not bold.
>>> Font: stick with one that's common, like Times New Roman, Tahoma or Arial 
>>> for example, and use just one font face throughout the entire book. So if 
>>> you pick Times New Roman, the whole book should be in Times New Roman.
>>> 
>>> 3. You should preserve other bolding as well as italics that are in the 
>>> correct places that match the original printed text. These are usually:
>>> a.    To show emphasis
>>> b.    To note words in foreign languages
>>> c.    NOT on whole pages or on random words
>>> 
>>> Be careful as many OCR scanning programs will randomly bold words on pages, 
>>> especially if they are italicized, or even randomly bold entire sections of 
>>> text. That is rarely correct, and should be fixed before submitting your 
>>> scan.
>>> 
>>> 4. Some other things to watch out for:
>>> 
>>> a. graphic bullet points should be converted to asterisks because braille 
>>> doesn't correctly handle them correctly.
>>> b. blank pages should be preserved, with the words blank page within square 
>>> brackets, like this: [blank page] added to the page. Make sure to keep the 
>>> page number for that page as well.
>>> c. Make sure every single page has a page number and each page has a 
>>> corresponding hard page break. The page number must be on a separate line 
>>> of its own on each page of text, and be either the first line or last line 
>>> on each page.  The page numbers do not have to be all on the top or all on 
>>> the bottom of the page -- they can alternate so that sometimes the page 
>>> number is the first line and sometimes the page number is the last line.
>>> d. Make sure the book you've scanned has a copyright page.  If it doesn't 
>>> it will get rejected no matter how great the scan is.
>>> e. Check that your OCRing hasn't put paragraphs breaks in the wrong places. 
>>> Some OCRing packages will put a paragraph break at the end of every single 
>>> line of text on a page, instead of just at the ends of paragraphs where 
>>> they are supposed to be.
>>> 
>>> Most importantly, don't be overwhelmed by all of this and keep asking 
>>> plenty of questions! smile.  Every volunteer here had to start out as a 
>>> newbie and learn how to do this. It can feel at first like you've been 
>>> served an elephant for dinner, so take a deep breath and just take one bite 
>>> at a time!
>>> 
>>> Judy s. 
>>> Follow me on Twitter at QuackersNCheese 
>>> 
>>>> On 6/26/2014 6:59 PM, Kim Friedman wrote:
>>>> Hi Deb, sometimes headers and footers are either the book title and the
>>>> author's name. If you see those, you can strip them. If you see a chapter
>>>> number or title, then you only want those on the actual first page of a
>>>> chapter. Subsequent pages don't need them. I'd also think if the chapter 
>>>> has
>>>> sections in them, then you only want a particular section title to occur on
>>>> the first page of the section and not on another page which is in the same
>>>> section (do you follow me?). With regard to font, you want to make sure you
>>>> have a font which is readable for the whole book (Bookshare likes Times New
>>>> Roman with titles at 20-point, Parts at 18-point, Chapter titles at
>>>> 16-point, sub-sections or sections at 14-point, actual body of the whole
>>>> text at 12-point, Author's name at 20-point. (With regard to font, the real
>>>> consideration is that it be readable so Times New Roman or Arial, or
>>>> anything which is really clear to read is important.) Page setup should be
>>>> legal or custom size, margins (I'd go for narrow (1.0 or 1.25 all round).
>>>> Paragraph setup for the body of the text is generally on the left. I know
>>>> what I used to do for paragraphs with regard to proofreading a document and
>>>> I can send you my procedure for it, but I think other submitters will be
>>>> better at giving you more specific information about what to do about
>>>> paragraphs in your text. I hope what I've mentioned so far helps you out.
>>>> Regards, Kim Friedman.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gmail For Deb
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:11 PM
>>>> To: Bookshare Volunteer List
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Ok, I'm confused! What's next?
>>>> 
>>>> He you scanners and proofers,
>>>> 
>>>> I just finished scanning in my first book.  This includes doing ocr on it,
>>>> and running through the spelling check that OmniPage provides.  There are
>>>> formatting things that seem important to me, but I'm not sure just how to 
>>>> go
>>>> about getting things right.  Do I need to change the font and or size of
>>>> text from what came out?  There are boxed off sections of text that are 
>>>> like
>>>> sidebars, too.  Is there a way to identify them as such?  I've seen several
>>>> of you mention headers.  In this case, the headers are the page numbers and
>>>> chapter title.  What do I do about that?  I understood that I was supposed
>>>> to keep page numbers.  What about margins?  Do I maintain them, or can I
>>>> just set a standard margin for the whole book?  What about any center
>>>> aligned text I come across?  Finally, I'd like some input on how to insert
>>>> the diagram description text.  
>>>> 
>>>> All help will be greatly appreciated!  I am sorry for my ignorance, but 
>>>> I'll
>>>> learn!
>>>> 
>>>> Deb Outland
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>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Judy s.
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