[bksvol-discuss] Re: Ok, I'm confused! What's next?

  • From: Cindy Rosenthal <grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:06:30 -0700

Kim, that's nicely anad clearly put.
 Gart, if there are center aligned sections if you're working in Word,
there is, I think what's called a ribbon, or ruler? .. something that sows,
among other things (under view, little sqarres with lines; to have made you
document all flush left youmay have clicked on the little square that shows
that; if you have a center alligned sectionyou can highlight that section
and click on the little square that shows   it (I don't think I'm
describing it correctlyand if you're not using word I'm no help
 What is the book? If I can get it from the library I'll be happy to take
your book and "Daisy" it for you (and I will read your Comments You can
write me off list  if you want
 Cindy


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Gary Petraccaro <garypet130@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>  Your last suggestion more approximates what the book looks like.  The
> sections number 7 in a 613 page book.  There can be a dozen or more
> numbered subsections.  No headings without numbers under the subsections.
> I hope someone will take this book and double check my daisying.  I have
> not tried to do this before and do not want to cause more work.
> Thanks. And, whoever gets this book please make sure to check the
> submision note.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:51 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ok, I'm confused! What's next?
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> Put the title in 20 point and bold only on the title page.  Back when
> Scott was the volunteer coordinator he said it was ok to make it 20 point
> and bold everywhere, but it turns out that for DAISY navigation to be
> correct we're only supposed to make it 20 point and bold on the title page.
>
> The author's name being in 18 point and bold on the title page is
> something that has been added to the suggested standards in the last two or
> so years. A book isn't going to get kicked back for more work if the
> author's name isn't done that way, but it's what's preferred currently.
>
> Give us some more detail on what the book has in terms of sections and
> subsections, like maybe how they appear in the table of contents?  If it
> doesn't have chapters per say, and the sections look equivalent to chapter
> headings, then I'd treat them as chapter headings and make them 16 point
> and bold, and the numbered subchapters 14 point and bold.  If, however, the
> sections look more equivalent to a book that is split up into parts, like
> part 1 to part 4, with subsections 1 to whatever in each part, that would
> make me lean towards making the sections 18 point and bold and the
> subsections 16 point and bold.
>
> Judy s.
>
> On 8/17/2014 8:51 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
>
>     Need more clarification.  I have a book which has sections, called
> sections, and numbered items under each section.  Should these be
> considered chapters, or should the sections be considered chapters and the
> numbered items subchapters?  Second, in this book, the title appears
> several times in the book at the very beginning of the book, with the
> author and publisher info several pages later and right before the text of
> the book.  Should the title be in 20 point bold Everywhere or just the page
> with all the other information?
> Appreciate the help.  Thanks.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:06 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ok, I'm confused! What's next?
>
> Hi Deb, a little correction to Kim's instructions, as well as some
> additional stuff to look out for. smile.
>
> The formatting for the book under Bookshare's current standards should be
> as follows:
>
> 1. On the title page for the book (the page where the title appears, the
> author's name appears, and the publisher appears)
>
> Title: 20 point and bold.
> Author's Name: 18 point and bold (not 20 point)
> anything else (like the publisher's name): 12 point and no bold
>
> 2. For the rest of the book:
>
> Parts/Sections/Books: 18 point and bold.
> Chapters: 16 point and bold.
> Subchapters/subsections: 14 point and bold.
> Text: 12 point and not bold.
> Font: stick with one that's common, like Times New Roman, Tahoma or Arial
> for example, and use just one font face throughout the entire book. So if
> you pick Times New Roman, the whole book should be in Times New Roman.
>
> 3. You should preserve other bolding as well as italics that are in the
> correct places that match the original printed text. These are usually:
> a.    To show emphasis
> b.    To note words in foreign languages
> c.    NOT on whole pages or on random words
>
> Be careful as many OCR scanning programs will randomly bold words on
> pages, especially if they are italicized, or even randomly bold entire
> sections of text. That is rarely correct, and should be fixed before
> submitting your scan.
>
> 4. Some other things to watch out for:
>
> a. graphic bullet points should be converted to asterisks because braille
> doesn't correctly handle them correctly.
> b. blank pages should be preserved, with the words blank page within
> square brackets, like this: [blank page] added to the page. Make sure to
> keep the page number for that page as well.
> c. Make sure every single page has a page number and each page has a
> corresponding hard page break. The page number must be on a separate line
> of its own on each page of text, and be either the first line or last line
> on each page.  The page numbers do not have to be all on the top or all on
> the bottom of the page -- they can alternate so that sometimes the page
> number is the first line and sometimes the page number is the last line.
> d. Make sure the book you've scanned has a copyright page.  If it doesn't
> it will get rejected no matter how great the scan is.
> e. Check that your OCRing hasn't put paragraphs breaks in the wrong
> places. Some OCRing packages will put a paragraph break at the end of every
> single line of text on a page, instead of just at the ends of paragraphs
> where they are supposed to be.
>
> Most importantly, don't be overwhelmed by all of this and keep asking
> plenty of questions! smile.  Every volunteer here had to start out as a
> newbie and learn how to do this. It can feel at first like you've been
> served an elephant for dinner, so take a deep breath and just take one bite
> at a time!
>
>  Judy s.
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> <https://twitter.com/QuackersNCheese>
>
> On 6/26/2014 6:59 PM, Kim Friedman wrote:
>
> Hi Deb, sometimes headers and footers are either the book title and the
> author's name. If you see those, you can strip them. If you see a chapter
> number or title, then you only want those on the actual first page of a
> chapter. Subsequent pages don't need them. I'd also think if the chapter has
> sections in them, then you only want a particular section title to occur on
> the first page of the section and not on another page which is in the same
> section (do you follow me?). With regard to font, you want to make sure you
> have a font which is readable for the whole book (Bookshare likes Times New
> Roman with titles at 20-point, Parts at 18-point, Chapter titles at
> 16-point, sub-sections or sections at 14-point, actual body of the whole
> text at 12-point, Author's name at 20-point. (With regard to font, the real
> consideration is that it be readable so Times New Roman or Arial, or
> anything which is really clear to read is important.) Page setup should be
> legal or custom size, margins (I'd go for narrow (1.0 or 1.25 all round).
> Paragraph setup for the body of the text is generally on the left. I know
> what I used to do for paragraphs with regard to proofreading a document and
> I can send you my procedure for it, but I think other submitters will be
> better at giving you more specific information about what to do about
> paragraphs in your text. I hope what I've mentioned so far helps you out.
> Regards, Kim Friedman.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Ok, I'm confused! What's next?
>
> He you scanners and proofers,
>
> I just finished scanning in my first book.  This includes doing ocr on it,
> and running through the spelling check that OmniPage provides.  There are
> formatting things that seem important to me, but I'm not sure just how to go
> about getting things right.  Do I need to change the font and or size of
> text from what came out?  There are boxed off sections of text that are like
> sidebars, too.  Is there a way to identify them as such?  I've seen several
> of you mention headers.  In this case, the headers are the page numbers and
> chapter title.  What do I do about that?  I understood that I was supposed
> to keep page numbers.  What about margins?  Do I maintain them, or can I
> just set a standard margin for the whole book?  What about any center
> aligned text I come across?  Finally, I'd like some input on how to insert
> the diagram description text.
>
> All help will be greatly appreciated!  I am sorry for my ignorance, but I'll
> learn!
>
> Deb Outland
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