[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People

  • From: Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 01:02:02 -0500

You may want to go to an akaido school in Denver and ask a student or instructor for moves. Someone can, for example, grab your hand or wrist or do the kinds of common things you and I run across on the street and then show you how to get out of it.


Akaido is fun but what I am speaking of is far less than a full blown class. Classes will help the way you move on the street, balance and of course self defense. The joke about well trained akaido folks is that the energy they give off and the confident way they move means they get messed with less.

E.
At 12:44 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
I did take a women's self-defense class while living in San Francisco years
ago, but I don't remember a thing.  I've thought about pursuing aikido, and
had even found an instructor willing to teach me, but then I moved to
Denver.  I haven't pursued that particular interest since.

I'd love to know if you find any good descriptions.


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There are a few self defense moves which do not come across as "shoving him
away". He would never notice anything except that somehow he was no longer
connected to your arm or hand.  I learned them in akaido.

I cannot describe them verbally enough for it to come across correctly.  I
will find out if descriptions exist in self-defense journals or something if
I can.

E.
At 12:37 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
>What you say is true.  Regrettably, we live in a dangerous world.   If I'd
>been more uneasy, I might have shoved him away, which could be
>dangerous for him in the middle of an intersection.
>
>I also think you're right about more physical contact.  A new
>acquaintance, when offering to guide me in a restaurant (a courtesy I
>will accept, because the restaurants I tend to go to seem to have lots
>of cramped spaces and such), slipped my hand in his to guide.  I pulled
>my hand back and took his arm.  I wouldn't have minded flirting with
>him, but he's married, and so even holding hands seems off limits to
>me.  Maybe that's an entirely different subject, though.
>
>
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>Reality is grabbing someone, particularly a woman without asking first
>is a stressful and possibly dangerous experience for the person being
>grabbed.  I understand the need to help.  I will stress in the book
>what we all know and have been trying to stress and will use humor to
>do it.  The human being is equipped with a mouth and the ability to use
>it.  Please let's learn the following phrases.  Repeat after me children:
>"May I pet your dog."
>"Do you need help."
>alternatives to "Do you need help" include "Are you all right?"
>
>The implicit thing often thought is "I am worried about you.  Do you
>need help?" (can I stop worrying) and the other question is "I have
>nobody to help and here is a person I can help."  I do not like this
>attitude much since I dislike being an object attracting folks who feel
>so non-needed and attracting them for their needs not my help By the
>way, you can tell that kind.  Those are the ones who keep insisting and
>hang on after you have said you do not need help.
>
>On a more ominous note, I think there are men who physically grab blind
>women for the same reason they would like to grab or touch a woman or
>any kind.  You can tell this kind because he is the one who tries to
>cop a feel of my tit while I am hholding his arm to cross a street.
>
>Bottom line, I thin, is that anyone needs to be at least a bit
>concerned about somebody grabbing them particularly in situations where
>he might be trying to pick your pocket or such.  The fact is many of
>that kind are put off some by dogs.
>
>I also think women who are blind get physically contacted more than do
>blind men.  Somebody from AFB wrote a NY Times article about it a few years
ago.
>I will do my best to get ahold of it.  I want AFB in on the book
>project in some way, by the way.
>
>This thing really might take off.
>
>E.
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