LOL. And what are your qualifications? <Smirking right back at ya* -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:11 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People Hey Lora, I ain't married, smirk. Heh just kidding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > Yes, if he'd asked, I would have told him, and under different > circumstances, might even have chosen to hold hands. It's not nearly > as effective, but on the other hand, we were only going a short distance. > > Communication is at the center of it all. And I suppose I'm not > surprised that many people don't try to communicate; I don't think > it's something Americans are really good at. > > Be that as it may, talk to me, folks, before you grab me, and we'll do just > fine. ;) > > Like Donna, I'll happily educate, and tell you what would be helpful. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > and Burton > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:39 AM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > > Under different circumstances I do a variety of things. That is the > courtesous good part about asking. It gives the disabled person a > chance to > do what works at the moment. > > E. > At 02:27 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote: > >No, same subject, different aspect. I think at CSUN a couple of years > >ago I had to ask, or be told, how to guide Donna to the restaurant. I > >didn't know whether she should take my arm or I should take hers. She > >took charge and told me. I wouldn't think of taking a person's hand, > >though, just because I don't think it's very effective. > > > >Cindy > > > >--- Lora <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > What you say is true. Regrettably, we live in a > > > dangerous world. If I'd > > > been more uneasy, I might have shoved him away, which could be > > > dangerous for him in the middle of an intersection. > > > > > > I also think you're right about more physical contact. A new > > > acquaintance, when offering to guide me in a restaurant (a > > > courtesy I will accept, because the restaurants I tend to go to > > > seem to have lots of cramped spaces and such), slipped my hand in his to guide. > > > I pulled my hand back and took his arm. I wouldn't have minded > > > flirting with him, but he's married, and so even holding hands > > > seems off limits to me. Maybe that's an entirely different > > > subject, though. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > > Elizabeth and Burton > > > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:23 PM > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > > > > > > Reality is grabbing someone, particularly a woman without asking > > > first is a stressful and possibly dangerous experience for the > > > person being grabbed. I understand the need to help. I will > > > stress in the book what we all know and have been trying to stress > > > and will use humor to do it. The human being is equipped with a > > > mouth and the ability to use it. > > > Please let's learn the > > > following phrases. Repeat after me children: > > > "May I pet your dog." > > > "Do you need help." > > > alternatives to "Do you need help" include "Are you all right?" > > > > > > The implicit thing often thought is "I am worried about you. Do > > > you need help?" (can I stop worrying) and the other question is "I > > > have nobody to help and here is a person I can help." I do not > > > like this attitude much since I dislike being an object attracting > > > folks who feel so non-needed and attracting them for their needs > > > not my help By the way, you can tell that kind. Those are the > > > ones who keep insisting and hang on after you have said you do not need help. > > > > > > On a more ominous note, I think there are men who physically grab > > > blind women for the same reason they would like to grab or touch a > > > woman or any kind. You can tell this kind because he is the one > > > who tries to cop a feel of my tit while I am hholding his arm to > > > cross a street. > > > > > > Bottom line, I thin, is that anyone needs to be at least a bit > > > concerned about somebody grabbing them particularly in situations > > > where he might be trying to pick your pocket or such. The fact is > > > many of that kind are put off some by dogs. > > > > > > I also think women who are blind get physically contacted more > > > than do blind men. Somebody from AFB wrote a NY Times article > > > about it a few years ago. > > > I will do my best to get ahold of it. I want AFB in on the book > > > project in some way, by the way. > > > > > > This thing really might take off. > > > > > > E. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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