Hi, Monica, It seems to me that your information is very accurate. I spent some time on the Rockbox site yesterday, and confirmed much of what you said. Rockbox works with older IPODs, but if I want one of the new ones that can play video, that doesn't look feasible. At that point, if I just want a portable MP3 player, I'm leaning toward the Zen Stone. First of all, I love the name. Second of all, the 1 GB player is only $39. Like you, I don't appreciate having to pay for things that sighted people take for granted as coming free with their purchase. This isn't to say that Brian shouldn't be compensated for his work; rather, I just find it frustrating that manufacturers don't take our needs into consideration. This isn't to say that every IPOD should talk straight out of the box, but for those who need it to, it should be a configurable option, downloadable feature, or whatever. Thanks for helping me realize that the IPOD may not be the cool toy I'd want it to be. I've used my daughters' IPODs without speech, and there is some limited functionality with it, but for the price, I'm leaning toward the Stone. Although I have a Pacmate, I don't like it's audio quality. What I really want to do is sit on the bus and read Braille books that I've almost certainly downloaded from Bookshare, and listen to music, and hope someone warns me that I'm near my stop. <Grin> Again, thanks for the info. It was timely and helpful. _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:46 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: IPODs Hi, Lora. Please don't take this as gospel, but I don't think the video features on the new IPods are accessible to us via Rockbox. I attended a demonstration recently and was disappointed at the limited functionality of the IPod they used compared to what I can do with an Olympus or with my older Samsung player. I do understand your wanting to watch TV shows. The problem is that Rockbox only works with certain older models of the IPod. You cannot buy these older models in most stores now and have to order them through places like Amazon and Ebay. Also, I don't know if Brian Hartgen's ITunes scripts work with the later versions of ITunes either, the version that supports DRM-free tracks and TV shows. You have to buy Brian's scripts to make ITunes work with Jaws, and they cost $60. They only work with a specific version of ITunes that is about a year old or so. These are the reasons I chose not to buy an IPod. Please check them out with the Rockbox users and Brian Hartgen's website for complete details. If I am wrong, will you please set me straight? Maybe they have made some major advances since the demonstration I saw two months ago. You probably have more money to work with too and might not mind paying $60 for the scripts. Brian deserves to be paid for his work. I just don't like paying that much to access software that sighted people can use for free. So I choose to use Rhapsody to get legal music because I can use it without any special scripts. I guess either path has some drawbacks. Please explore your options and don't take what I say as absolute. It's just my opinion, and you may find newer information that will help you make up your mind. Monica Willyard Lora wrote: Thanks, Monica. I'd love to take a peek at the Olympus. It's one of many reasons I brought this question to the list; I was hoping someone would have insight into other options. One of the nice things with the IPODs, though, is that they'll play video, too. Now I don't need the video, but if I'm trying to watch a TV show, the two sort of go together. <Smile> I'll go take a peek at the Olympus, though. Thanks. _____