[bksvol-discuss] Re: O T JAWS 10
- From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:27:06 -0500
I started to say that, well, it workks in JAWS 9, but I decided to be
absolutely sure before I replied to you. I just went to a document I
have saved in Word Pad and pressed control A with JAWS 10. It just sat
there silently like it did before so I sat there silently too while I
contemplated what to do next. Voila! It suddenly told me how many
characters I had in the document. Apparently I just have to be patient
and wait for it.
It is beginning to look like the more I tweak JAWS 10 the more I will
be able to live with it, but now I find myself asking if the more
usable for me I make it, the more it is like JAWS 9 then what was the
point of switching to JAWS 10 in the first place? Can anyone tell me
what advantages JAWS 10 really has over JAWS 9?
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Roger.
> The function control a works in some programs and not in others. At least
> ass far as telling you how many characters are selected.
>
> I went to WordPad, typed "hello" and pressed control a. It didn't say squat.
>
> I am using jaws 9. something (the latest version of nine).
>
> I think the number of character is a scriptable item, and apparently the
> folks that did scripts for WordPad (if indeed there are scripts) chose not
> to do it.
>
> I've noticed that the number of characters is given when you select all in
> your web browser. Some programs wait until you copy the item to the
> clipboard to tell you how many characters there are. Alas, not WordPad.
>
> "If your watch is broken, old Bob will tell you how to build a watch, but
> not how to make it work."
>
> Hope this helps.
> Bob
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey"
> <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:54 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: O T JAWS 10
>
>
>> Okay, I have reinstalled JAWS 10 and tried some of these suggestions.
>> Apparently I did get that extremely annoying auto-forms feature turned
>> off, but I am not so sure about the copying method. I followed your
>> directions, but it still is not doing one of the most useful things
>> that JAWS 9 did. That is, if I want to fill in a form that limits the
>> number of characters I can use I type it into Word Pad and then press
>> control A. It then tells me how many characters I have just copied.
>> With JAWS 10 I am not getting that information. Is there a way to
>> recover that function?
>>
>> Wait a minute. I was about to send this email when I decided to try an
>> experiment. I pressed control A and it told me how many characters are
>> in this email. I went back to a document in Word Pad and tried the
>> same thing and it did not work. Why would it work here and not there?
>>
>> One more thing, After asking that question it occurred to me that if I
>> had to make the adjustment in question with my browser open then maybe
>> I should make it with Word Pad open too. I just tried that and it did
>> not work. When I pressed insert V in Word Pad that option was not
>> available there.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:36 PM, <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi R`oger, The copying of the web page thing happened because they
>>> changed
>>> what happens when you select and paste text on the web. If you open your
>>> web browser, then use Insert+V, move down to the Virtual Cursor Options,
>>> then down one more line to a line that says Select and copy full content.
>>> If
>>> you tab, you will land in a read only box that tells you what that does.
>>> If
>>> you go back to the choices and hit the space bar, it will change back to
>>> the
>>> old way of copying. Once you do that and hit Enter to close the dialog,
>>> JAWS
>>> sets it that way and remembers it so that you don't have to keep doing
>>> it.
>>> It remembers it in both FireFox and Internet Explorer. FreedomScientific
>>> added this new way of selecting and copying content so that it would be
>>> easy
>>> for us to select web content and copy it into other documents in such a
>>> way
>>> that the content including fonts and formatting is preserved. This new
>>> way
>>> of doing things also allows some of the interactivity on web pages to
>>> take
>>> place that JAWS couldn't react to before version 10.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> James D Homme, Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
>>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
>>>
>>> "The difference between those who get what they wish for and those who
>>> don't
>>> is action. Therefore, every action you take is a complete
>>> success,regardless
>>> of the results." -- Jerrold Mundis
>>> Highmark internal only: For usability and accessibility:
>>> http://highwire.highmark.com/sites/iwov/hwt093/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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>>>
>>> Perhaps I did not givve it enough of a chance to learn how to deal
>>> with some features. I did not know, for example, that the extremely
>>> annoying auto-forms feature could be turned off. As for Firefox or
>>> iTunes, I have never used or tried out either. There are a lot of
>>> things I have never tried because I launched into using a computer
>>> with absolutely no training or knowledge of the contraptions and had
>>> to teach myself everything. That means that I have spent an enormous
>>> amount of time teaching myself with absolutely no help and experienced
>>> a lot of frustration, exhaustion, and burnout. After reaching a
>>> certain level of proficiency the idea of starting to learn something
>>> else from scratch tends to fill me with the dread of further self
>>> torture. The auto-forms feature is not the only problem though. Most
>>> of the buttons do not work for me with JAWS 10. The first time I tried
>>> to send an email after installing it I tried to click the send button
>>> and nothing happened. I got sighted help to click it with the mouse
>>> and it worked. Other buttons seemed not to work either. Commands like
>>> using the F key for forms or other single letter keys worked only
>>> sporadically. At least the X key for check boxes worked fine. Copying
>>> and pasting did not seem to be working well for me. I tried to copy an
>>> ISBN on Amazon and paste it into the search field at PaperbackSwap.com
>>> and it would not paste. I finally got it there by memorizing it and
>>> just typing it in. As an experiment I tried to copy an entire web page
>>> and paste it into Word Pad. In JAWS 9 when I pres control A I am told
>>> how many characters I have just highlighted. With JAWS 10 there was
>>> only silence and I was not sure I had highlighted anything. There was
>>> also silence when I pressed control C and then when I pressed control
>>> V. My sighted help did tell me that I had successfully copied and
>>> pasted the page, but then it would not read the copied text to me.
>>> There may be simple fixes and settings that will solve all these
>>> problems, but the changes are too extreme. It is just throwing too
>>> much at me at once and I prefer the way I have been doing things. If
>>> JAWS 10 is an improvement I want to take advantage of the
>>> improvements, but I would like to do so a little at a time. Along with
>>> the JAWS 10 I also got a notification that payment for the current SMA
>>> is due by the end of the year and that JAWS 11 is expected in the
>>> latter part of 2009. If JAWS 11 is just going to add more
>>> complications to JAWS 10 then I am not sure I want to spend the money.
>>> On the other hand, though, I also do not want to be left behind using
>>> obsolete tools.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Monica Willyard <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Roger. I'd say most experienced Jaws users are having to adapt to
>>>> the
>>>> new auto-forms mode. It can be turned off permanently or on a site by
>>>> site
>>>> basis. I kept it on for a full week before deciding I'd given myself
>>>> long
>>>> enough to decide what I think about it. I turned it off for several
>>>> sites
>>>> but left it on for a few too. That feature, according to the FS site and
>>>> documentation, was designed to help sighted trainers and new Jaws users.
>>>>
>>>> For advanced users, there are some new features that allow a greater
>>>> level
>>>> of customization. I like them a lot but doubt that most people will use
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> From a consumer's point of view, I see two primary advantages and one
>>>> secondary advantage in Jaws 10. One primary advantage is the support for
>>>> iTunes. The other is the enhanced and expanded support for Firefox 3.
>>>> That's
>>>> important because Firefox 3 can use a service called Web Visum, and that
>>>> lets blind people get around captcha images on various sites that have
>>>> excluded us for years. This isn't part of Jaws, but you need Jaws 10
>>>> access
>>>> to use Firefox 3 comfortably. IE users can't use this service.
>>>>
>>>> The secondary advantage I see may be a bigger deal for those who aren't
>>>> computer geeks. It's called Tandem, and it's a secure method that would
>>>> allow tech support or a trusted trainer or friend to help you fix
>>>> computer
>>>> problems through Jaws. You would hear what the person is doing, and they
>>>> would hear your speech so they could help you if Jaws isn't working
>>>> right.
>>>> It's secure because the person helping you gets a onetime-only key to
>>>> enter
>>>> your computer to help you. Once he disconnects, that key won't work
>>>> anymore.
>>>> So he can't come back and get things like your credit card info while
>>>> you're
>>>> asleep. (smile) The reason this is a secondary advantage to me is that I
>>>> would be one of the people fixing computer problems, not the one getting
>>>> help. So I don't actually need the service. It will be sold on a
>>>> subscription plan so you can get help when you need it day or night.
>>>> Since
>>>> it costs for trainers to register, I doubt I'll bother using it unless
>>>> someone convinces me they really, really need help.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want or need any of these features, upgrading probably
>>>> won't
>>>> make sense for you. I do have to say that I like the small but definite
>>>> improvements in Word and Outlook. They make accessing information faster
>>>> and
>>>> easier. I'm not sure how much I'd pay for them though. I'd have to think
>>>> about that.
>>>>
>>>> Monica Willyard
>>>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
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