[bksvol-discuss] Re: New proofreaders

  • From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:54:01 -0700

Hi, isn't there a way so the picture descriptions can be presented so
what appears in them doesn't occur right bang in the middle of the
paragraph? Couldn't there be a box around it to differentiate it from
the text? As a reader of Braille,I prefer a footnote to mark a
particular word in a paragraph, and after it is done, I'd like to know
to what it refers (preferably after a thought has been completed and not
placed on a line where there appears an incomplete sentence.) I'm going
back to reading cookbooks to give you an example of what I mean with
regard to the book's set up or design. I really hate it when I'm reading
a recipe and I'm in the middle of the ingredients list or the middle of
the instructions for making the dish when what should I encounter but a
table, a chart, a whole slew of picture discriptions to interrupt the
thought process. Couldn't they have the sense to present such stuff
before or after the recipe and not in the middle? Regards, Kim Friedman.

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I want you to know that I agree with Valerie.  If a struggling sighted
reader is using Bookshare's services for easy clear reading, the picture
descriptions would "get in the way" for reading the text.  The actual
text of the book would be almost readable to the child, but the level of
words in the picture descriptions would just be frustrating to read for
a struggling reader.

Just my opinion,



From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 6:16:21 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: New proofreaders

Hi, Scott! 

In talking to multiple people invested in emergent literacy, then, we
need to find a way to consider either not adding picture descriptions on
beginning readers with images instead and a different version for blind
kids and parents.  Otherwise, the books can actually be harmful to
assisting kids in developing  literacy.  I am probably not distilling
the message properly, but different reading levels, cognitives levels
have different needs and a one size fits all will actually discourage
beginning readers from developing literacy.

I am not saying change everything old, but rather, can we consider a
shift to a more appropriate level for children on newly added books?
Considering so much funding has come from the DOE, I think literacy for
kids, not just literature access should eventually be considered as we
realize the impact and opportunity we have.

Thank you for your patience with me as I try to help kids learn to love
to read without barriers.


On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Scott Rains wrote:

Hi Valerie,

I got an answer back already This is not a change we can support given
the legacy of DAISY books in the collection. Sorry.

Scott Rains

From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:36:56 -0700
To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: New proofreaders

Hi, Scott! 

Ask them to seriously consider it as an option, if not a standard.  It
is a huge deal for starting sighted readers that Nichole is very eagerly
advocating for. 



On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:35 PM, Scott Rains wrote:


Interesting approach. Let me talk it through with Collection Development
and Engineering. A change like that would require a lot of cross-domain
conversation. But, for now, the answer is "no."


From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:29:43 -0700
To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: New proofreaders

Hey, Scott! 

Reading with Nichole and trying to work with Nichole's teacher about
introducing Bookshare to beginning readers, I have a
question/proposition.  In order to place emphasis on readable text in
board books and early reader picture books, books that have no other
navigation than title, would it be acceptable to put book text in bold
16 or 18 pt. and picture descriptions, not bolded and in 12 pt?  It
would help print "pop" for visual readers (dyspexic and kids with PD)
and even allow teaching navigation in a more useful and functional ways
to early readers.  That way a parent reading the book would have easy
access to all information, but a new reader being introduced to reading
would have better presentation of age level text.



On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Scott Rains wrote:

 4)  Use these font sizes:          For the:
                          20 point  +  BOLDING        Book title
                          18 point  +  BOLDING        Larger section
headings  (such as "Part I", or "Section 2")
                          16 point  +  BOLDING        Headings for each
section in the Front Matter, & Back Matter
                          16 point  +  BOLDING        Chapter headings
                          14 point  +  BOLDING        Chapter
                          12 point                             Text in
the body of the book
                     5)  Maximum font size for anything in the file:
=  20 point
                          Minimum font size for anything in the file:
=   8 point

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