[bksvol-discuss] Re: New Guy would appreciate your thoughts ...
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:53:06 -0700 (PDT)
Mark,
You could validate, or do you think that would take
too much time? Bookshare has "raised the bar," as they
say, and making the books look like most readers want
does involve more than the minimum that was required.
If you don't want to volunteer for bookshare but you'd
like to do something that you can do on the computer
from China and spend as much or little time as you
want, you can proofread for PG.
Here is the volunteer site.
http://promo.net/pg/volunteer.html One of the items is
the list is "Proofread Online."
Since I've been doing bookshare, I haven't been doing
much for P.G., but I still do some so I don't get
bumped. smile
Grandma Cindy
--- mark hunt <guidedog4bookshare@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 'Liz, this point is moot - it doesn't sound as if,
> at least at this time, the BookShare Volunteer Group
> is quite where I need to be. I've just withdrawn my
> offer to volunteer (formally, in writing). In
> closing, tho', let me say that I sure respect what
> you're - the group, that is - I sure respect what
> you folks are doing! 30,000 titles, that's
> absolutely wonderful! Regards. Mark.
>
> Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Whic titles did you submit?
>
> E.
> At 04:21 PM 10/2/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Hummm. Didn't anticipate that, not at all. Wouldn't
> have guessed
> >that. Useful to know (that). Pity ... and, without,
> I'd hope, without
> >being rude, I don't really see the point. But who
> says that I need to see
> >it? And thanks, very much, thanks for your opinion.
> Mark. PS: I sure
> >respect what's been done at BookShare - imagine,
> some 30,000 books moved
> >into the ears of the blind!. And this by
> volunteers: staggeringly impressive!
> >
> >Elizabeth and Burton wrote:
> >Unless you have scanned the book, it will be
> rejected if you try to submit
> >it. So if you submit, for example, books you
> purchased on cdrom, they will
> >not be allowed on bookshare. Sorry. Just letting
> you know.
> >
> >E.
> >At 02:09 PM 10/2/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Grandma Cindy (and others), thanks!
> > >
> > >Altho' I've been working with computers since '69
> (even-then-obsolete Air
> > >Force pre-Star-War computer, filled an
> air-conditioned room), I've not the
> > >experience that you folks have with high-end
> scanners.
> > >
> > >(Nor have I gone in the direction, the paths,
> that you folks have taken
> > >... when I signed-on for BookShare, I skimmed
> over the three-page "agree
> > >with each page" information provided: it was
> small print, and, well, LOTS
> > >of people want me to read "the small print". I'm
> not interested in "small
> > >print". I don't read "small print". *I now see*
> that you folks work with
> > >copies that you've scanned in the
> "***here&now***" ... [clearly, ladies,
> > >most lengthy text "has been scanned" at SOME
> point ...])
> > >
> > >I've owned/used several - all of them "single
> page" - and all of them with
> > >only the supplied software (one of them
> DOS-based, from Europe, never did
> > >work very well).
> > >
> > >AND my current scanner's several thousand miles
> away, just now. Well,
> > >actually it's my fathers - and it's a Lexmark, if
> that matters. It OCR's
> > >a single page at a time (factory-supplied
> software) ... in any event, it's
> > >a long ways away from me, right now ...
> > >
> > >I'd brought with me, from my "home base" in
> Nebraska - I'm traveling
> > >in/traveled to China - my collection of books.
> Books that I've
> > >scanned/downloaded/obtained thru' CDROM's (public
> domain, these). Quite a
> > >few titles ... and quite a few of'em titles that
> don't appear on
> > >BookShare's shelves.
> > >
> > >AND I FIGURED that those less-sighted than I just
> might appreciate being
> > >able to read'em ...
> > >
> > >'Course, I've made a deliberate attempt to remove
> all pagenumbers - I'm
> > >describing novels, shorties, plays and poetry
> here - from the text. And
> > >why not?
> > >
> > >AND such trivia "takes up room". I run a DOS
> system, mostly - I've only
> > >had this XP system for a few weeks, 'till then,
> my "hottest" computer was
> > >a 233 MMX. BUT UNDER DOS, one tries to save HD
> room, when one
> > >can. There's not much "fluff", in DOS.
> > >
> > >*My impression is* (from reading the comments of
> you three ladies) that
> > >I'll not be able to work with you.
> > >
> > >Sorry, but I don't want to purchase a scanner
> here ... the OS required
> > >would need to be in Chinese ('cause the available
> OCR software would be in
> > >Mandrin). AND, there's few books in English, here
> (smile).
> > >
> > >AS FOR VALIDATION, well, altho' I'm not quite
> sure, now, just what that
> > >entails - I'd previously thought that it only
> meant "checking the
> > >(C)opyright - but I'd clearly not be able to
> "check a source copy of this
> > >or that material from the library". How could I
> "validate"?
> > >
> > >***I'll await comments from John Glass, of
> BookShare. It might be that
> > >BookShare's opinion is that, really, "fair" text
> & author's name &
> > >(C)opyright information is all that they really
> want.*** I'd sent a copy
> > >of my first email to him ... I'll await his
> answer, and then I'll decide
> > >whether or no I can continue with
> BookShare/BookShare's Volunteers.
> > >
> > >IF NO - and this appears likely - then that's OK.
> Altho' I'd know of
> > >BookShare FOR YEARS, then time then "wasn't
> right", and, as now seems
> > >likely, if it's "not right now either", well, I'm
> used to that.
> > >
> > >Pity.
> > >
> > >I'll await comment from John.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your time, your thoughts, ladies ...
> > >
> > >Mark.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Cindy wrote:
> > >Mark,
> > >
> > >Your efforts as a volunteer would be much
> appreicated.
> > >
> > >I'm assming, since you're talking about
> submitting,
> > >that you intend to scan books. If you scan and
> save in
> > >rtf, the page breaks should occur naturally, and
> the
> > >page numbers should be retained if you press down
> on
> > >the book at the binding and make sure that the
> scan of
> > >the page includes the line with the page numbers.
> And
> > >you don't have to worry about lines for title,
> author,
> > >copyright etc as long as you scan the copyright
> and
> > >title pages.
> > >
> > >After you scan and before you submit, you should
> go
> > >through the book and be sure all the pages are
> there.
> > >You can do this by using the page down key. It's
> too
> > >easy, I've found,to lose one's attention when
> scanning
> > >and either skip a page--perhaps two pages stuck
> > >together, or we thought we'd done that page--or,
> on
> > >the other hand, to re-scanpages we've already
> scanned.
> > >
> > >Also, before submitting, it's helpful if you can
> get
> > >rid of garbage that shows up along the outside
> margin
> > >of the book if it isn't held down firmly enough.
> > >
> > >The other things the validator will take care of.
> > >
> > >Grandma Cindy
> > >--- mark hunt wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > My name is Mark. I'm a new BookShare
> volunteer:
> > > > I'm here 'cause I really, really would like to
> help
> > > > these readers/would-be-readers who're blind.
> > > >
> > > > Could use/would appreciate your thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > I've been reading your postings for a week now
> -
> > > > reading about "blank pages", about "page
> numbers",
> > > > about "I wouldn't read a fair book", about
> "copies
> > > > of the (C)opyright page(s)", about scanning
> and
> > > > fonts and descriptions of pictures and ...
> > > >
> > > > I'm new ... and I think that all that *I'd*
> want,
> > > > were I blind, is - regards novels, that is -
> is "a
> > > > good read". I'd not care about page numbers
> and
> > > > blank pages and ... and I'm not trying to
> criticize
> > > > the directions and the concerns of which I've
> > > > recently read - rather, I'm writing that these
> > > > concerns "just aren't concerns that I share".
> > > >
> > > > I'm interested in submitting short stories
> novels
> > > > in the following "style" - and I'm asking you,
> here
> > > > & now, if what I'm interested in doing is what
> > > > all-of-you are interested in validating ...
> > > >
> > > > First page, first line - *Name of the Book"*
> > > >
> > > > First page, second line - (blank)
> > > >
> > > > First page, third line - *Name of the Author*
> > > >
> > > > First page, fourth line - (blank)
> > > >
> > > > First page, fifth line - *(C)opyright date*,
> plus
> > > > *who owns/owned the (C)opyright*
> > > >
> > > > First page, sixth line - (blank)
> > > >
> > > > First page, SEVENTH line - *(Novel starts here
> > > > ...)
> > > >
> > > > Last page, last line - (... Novel ends here)*
> > > >
> > > > I'd be submitting books that I've enjoyed as,
> > > > well, as a teenager and young adult. Science
> > > > Fiction, mostly - Van Vogt, Clemens, Simak -
> older
> > > > stuff, mostly out-of-print.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that this - call it "a style" -
> is
> > > > likely to be accepted by you validators ...
> but
> > > > perhaps I'm wrong, PERHAPS such a novel or
> story
> > > > might be used "as is" (judging by the email
> that
> > > > I've received, I think not ... but I *could*
> be
> > > > wrong). OR, perhaps it could be accepted by
> you
> > > > validators as a "fair book" (if I understand
> what a
> > > > "fair book" is?). OR perhaps someone would
> like to
> > > > take what I might submit, and then (saving
> > > > themselves some work?) - and then add whatever
> ELSE
> > > > they might feel to be appropriate. Polish it.
> > > > Whatever. I don't care. I just want to help.
> > > >
> > > > Folks, I just don't know. I'm new here. And
> I've
> > > > asked for thoughts - I asked for thoughts when
> I
> > > > submitted a couple of books, and I asked for
> > > > thoughts last week (in an email sent to this
> > > > discussion group), and I'm asking now.
> > > >
> > > > See, I'd known of BookShare for YEARS ... and
> it
> > > > had always seemed to be an exciting way to
> help
> > > > people! I'm a nurse officer, now retired, but
> *I
> > > > still like to "be involved"*, and, well, if
> there's
> > > > room for me and my work, then *that'd be
> great*.
> > > >
> > > > And if not, that'll be OK, too. I'll find
> > > > something else to do with my optional time ...
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what you think, please. I've got
> text
> > > > that could be submitted. AND I'll submit it in
> > > > Micro$oft's .RTF (or is it .RFT?) - ug! -
> format.
> > > > But I'll not bother if it won't meet the needs
> of
> > > > BookShare (as validated by you volunteers).
> > > >
> > > > Send me a private email, if you feel that to
> be
> > > > appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your time.
> > > >
> > > > Regards.
> > > >
> > > > Mark.
> > > >
> > > >
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