[bksvol-discuss] Re: Need blind help on a Microsoft word oddity

  • From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:47:12 -0600

Hi Lori,

I always put a space between asterisks if I'm typing more than one in a row. I've set up my own copy of Word so it won't change asterisks typed without spaces in a row into this kind of line, but if my word file goes to someone else and their version isn't set up the way mine is, their word can in the right circumstances automatically convert three or more asterisks in a row into a paragraph border.

Judy
On 2/5/2014 5:37 PM, Lori Castner wrote:
Sue, that must have been very frustrating!
Did you space between the stars?
I generally do not space between stars, and I have never had any problems
with my proofread books being returned for more editing for boxes.
It may be that it is necessary to make a change in the proofreading tab to
solve the problem--Judy or Rose do you know?

Lori C.


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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens
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Susan,

It is a book I proofed that Judy is fixing, and I had no idea those boxes
were there. Madeleine's report said "black boxes above the asterisks", but
there wasn't even a blank line above the asterisks on that page, soo I had
no idea. My Braille display saw nothing!!

Sue S.


-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 6:14 PM
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Sounds strange to me! I bet we wouldn't even recognize it!

Susan

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:08 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Need blind help on a Microsoft word oddity

Has anyone ever encountered an rtf created by Word that contains a border
that is attached to a paragraph, but it isn't even necessarily attached to
the paragraph where it appears in the document?

This is not a graphic line per se, at least in the way Word defines graphic
lines, so you can't search for it using a graphics search. It is a border
that is specifically controlled by word's paragraph formatting features.

As far as I've been able to determine, there aren't any codes that would
allow a screen reader to find this particular kind of line in an rtf, but I
don't know anything really about screen readers and I'm hoping there is a
way.

To a sighted reader, the paragraph border line appears as a line of small
black boxes that run from the left margin to the right margin of the page.

I'm helping out with a book being proofread that has this problem, and it's
been a bear to resolve.  I've figured out how to do it using visual cues and
Word's paragraph border feature within the ribbon in Word 2010, but I can't
find any way that a blind person could even know this kind of line is in the
rft of a book, much less find where the problem actually occurs in the book
and then fix it.

I have a solution that works for a sighted volunteer, but I'd like help from
an experienced blind volunteer to see if there's a way to find this kind of
problem and fix it without relying on visual cues.  I'm hoping that this
isn't a word formatting feature that is totally inaccessible, and all based
on sight.

All help is much appreciated. smile.

Judy s.
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