[bksvol-discuss] Movnig page numbers to the top of the pge
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
I have been moving page numbers to the top of the page because some
members--braille readers or audio, I never can remember--find it easier to
navigate that way, I've been told. As a validator it's easy enough for me to
do. It might be more difficult for someone scanning and prevalidating.
Cindy
--- On Thu, 8/7/08, siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:24 PM
> Hi Lori,
>
> I do not move page numbers. Something that always, and I
> do mean always,
> works for me is that before the chapter heading or story
> title at the top of
> the page, I put six asterisks, or stars. The stripper
> usually gets them,
> but even if it left them, no harm would be done and my
> headers are
> protected. I use this order:
> page break
> blank line
> ******
> chapter one
> blank line
> Body of text.
>
> I hope this doesn't start a whole thread, but it does
> work for me, at least.
>
> HTH,
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lori Castner"
> <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:53 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
>
>
> Dear Lissi and All,
>
> Thank you for your kind words about the work that Mike and
> I do.
>
> Honestly, I have resisted moving page numbers from the
> bottoms of pages and
> have found that inserting the word "header" when
> needed is less
> time-intensive. However, since that word is not always
> stripped by the
> nototorious stripper, I'm beginning to think that
> moving the page numbers
> and having them appear as you describe is the only
> foolproof way to protect
> single lines and chapter titles at the tops of pages.
>
> I'll add the book you mention to my long list of books
> to read.
>
> Cat Lover Lori
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Estelnalissi"
> <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:15 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
>
>
> > Dear Lori, and Booksharian Friends,
> >
> > Lori, I wish we could get the 2 people you know who
> unsubscribed back
> > because with validators and submittors like you and
> Mike, the quality of
> > the collection is becoming noticeably better.
> >
> > We blame the notorious Bookshare volunteer who is
> sometimes at fault, but
> > I know that some of those volunteers are among the
> best submittors I know.
> > It will be good for the system and all of us when
> submittors and
> > volunteers are identified by either an assigned ID
> from Bookshare or their
> > names, they're choice.
> >
> > Now that validators are getting equal compensation, I
> think they bear half
> > of the blame for messy books. I know of an instance
> where the submittor
> > believed a book was excellent and gave credit to the
> validator saying
> > they'd both read the book through. I downloaded it
> and found that the top
> > two lines of over 100 pages were unreadable. They
> couldn't possibly have
> > read the book through.
> >
> > Those volunteers who are reading their books through
> carefully have my
> > heartfelt thanks. Not only because I read Bookshare
> books in braille and
> > appreciate the accuracy but because accurate books, as
> Lori says, are the
> > basis for paid subscribers to sign up year after year.
> >
> > Reading the books through takes more time, but the
> results stand up where
> > it counts, when subscribers read them. I'd rather
> see 25 truly accurate
> > books being approved in x amount of time, than 100
> sketchy, error spotted
> > books being approved in the same time span.
> >
> > We've got nearly 40,000 books. Jake will probably
> put out the word when we
> > hit that landmark. But, what good are 40,000 books if
> the collection as a
> > whole has a reputation among readers as being sloppy?
> >
> > Lori, it may save you a little work to know that you
> don't need to put
> > header at the tops of pages to protect chapter titles
> and first lines as
> > long as there is a blank line, a page number, and
> another blank line above
> > the written content whether it's a title or a line
> of text. You don't have
> > to take the trouble of writing or deleting the word
> header. The reason we
> > don't use a word on the top line is because the
> stripper can't be counted
> > on to remove substitutions for headers just as it
> doesn't consistently
> > remove headers themselves. . We've learned through
> practice that a blank
> > line, page number and blank line are ignored
> completely by the stripper.
> > This combination gives the stripper nothing to do and
> so it leaves the
> > page alone. What we get when the book is processed is
> all of the page
> > numbers and chapter names, nothing extra and nothing
> cut out.
> >
> > For anyone who likes police procedurals, I'll be
> uploading my validation
> > from an excellent scan of Hire A Hangman by Collin
> Wilcox. , 248 pages of
> > nuts and bolts detective work with plenty of suspects
> for two murders.
> > Shameless promotion? Yep! I hope some of you will read
> it.
> >
> > Always with love,
> >
> > Lissi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lori Castner"
> <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
> >
> >
> >> You know, Jill; unfortunately, you are making an
> important point. I
> >> personally know two people who did not renew
> Bookshare memberships
> >> because of the quality of the books--they both
> expect perfection.
> >>
> >> I have read several books from Bookshare with some
> errors--maybe thirty
> >> or so--and that does not bother me, but the
> quality of the books in the
> >> Bookshare collection are Bookshare and convey to
> members what is
> >> acceptable.
> >>
> >> I agree with you that a validator or a submitter
> must read a book through
> >> in order to discover errors. I have read through
> every book I have
> >> submitted, and I have read through every book I
> have validated. I'm
> >> certainly far from perfect and know that sometimes
> when I put the word
> >> "header" in to protect something else
> that the word has not been
> >> stripped; I feel bad about that.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure of the answer, but sympathize
> with your concern.
> >>
> >> Cat Lover Lori who wants everyone who has ever
> joined Bookshare to
> >> recomend it to others and to rave about the
> quality of the books
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jill O'Connell"
> <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:09 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] my disappointment
> >>
> >>
> >>>I know I'm preaching to the choir here but
> I guess I hope someone from
> >>>Bookshare staff will see this and begin to
> think how the situation can be
> >>>improved. I am presently reading for pleasure
> Out of the Deep I cry by
> >>>Julia Spencer-fleming. It is a mystery and I
> highly recommend her books
> >>>for you mystery buffs out there. This book has
> an excellent rating and
> >>>was scanned, of course, by the infamous
> bookshare volunteer. I may be
> >>>exaggerating a bit but there is hardly a page
> in this book that does not
> >>>have a mistake of some type, including such
> things as die for the, mat
> >>>for that, etc. etc. My point in talking about
> this is to say that it is
> >>>obvious that neither the submitter nor the
> validator read this book. In
> >>>my opinion if the submitter has not read the
> book being submitted, this
> >>>should be made clear, then hopefully only a
> validator who is interested
> >>>in reading the book should take it. I can
> understand if someone
> >>>volunteers to scan a book on the wish list that
> they are really not that
> >>>interested in, but in that case it is even more
> important that
> >>>thevalidator wants to read the book. If no
> validator wants to read it
> >>>including the person who put it on the wish
> list, then I would suggest
> >>>that the book isn't worth being in the
> colection. I hope some day I feel
> >>>like taking the time to rescan this book
> because I am ashamed that it
> >>>will be left on the excellent list otherwise.
> And, of course, that means
> >>>Bookshare will pay $10 instead of $5 to have
> the book in the collection.
> >>>I know this book can't have been in the
> collection for a long time by the
> >>>way it is presented in braille. That means that
> scanners are capable of
> >>>doing a far better job of scanning than is
> seen here. I recently
> >>>validated a book submitted by Jim Baugh and you
> know what a great job he
> >>>does. I was reading the book along with others
> and realized I was really
> >>>holding up his book too long so I put it
> through Kurzweil's paces and
> >>>submitted it. When I picked it up later as an
> approved book to finish
> >>>reading it, I recorded 22 mistakes that I had
> missed. That is an
> >>>acceptable number even though I feel bad about
> it but I think it proves
> >>>how necessary it is that someone, be it
> submitter or validator really
> >>>reads the book from cover to cover. And now
> that validators are being
> >>>paid $2.50 per book, that means that only
> twenty books need to be read
> >>>carefully per year in order to maintain a free
> membership. Thank you all
> >>>for letting me vent and I sincerely hope that
> the Bookshare staff can
> >>>find some way to express these concerns to
> those volunteers not on this
> >>>list. Jill
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