I think Doug's idea was nixed as being more work than necessary. I remember arguing that at the time it was discussed. It looks like Deborah's method is the one being adopted, and that is good.
Evan----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Rafter" <mlhr@xxxxxxx>
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Oh My Gosh; now I'm really confused! What happened to Doug's idea of [footnote or [footnotes at the beginning of the notes and a single right bracket ] at the end of the notes? HELP!!Marty-----Original Message----- From: Mayrie ReNaeSent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:47 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: More fun with footnotes! (LONG) Hi Evan, In the new iteration of the scanning and proofreading manual, which I'm still working on, we will be adopting Deborah's means of noting footnotes. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:53 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: More fun with footnotes! (LONG)Well, I guess I'm gonna have to open this can of worms again, but I thoughtthe numbered ones were supposed to have parentheses around them. I see the stars for the notes at the bottom of the page, but you've got a star in front of the numbered notes which are not at the bottom of the page. I thought those were supposed to be enclosed in parentheses. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:27 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: More fun with footnotes! (LONG)Deborah, your solution seems best to me. I can't think of a braille character that would be better than a star. TracyHi all, This message is going to be rather long and I apologize in advance. I'm looking for input, particularly from braille readers, for a footnote formatting scenario that I'm currently puzzling over. It's not the first time I've encountered this as I think it's rather uncommon, but it does happen. I've been using a space followed by an asterisk(*) to set off footnotes within text and that seems to work well, whether the associated note appears at the end of the page, chapter or book. Sometimes when the numbered notes appear at the end of the chapter or book, in addition to the numbered footnotes, an author inserts an asterisk (*) to indicate a note at the bottom of the page. To make this even more interesting, there are sometimes multiple instances of these notes. Instead of multiple asterisks, a character, usually called a dagger, is used for the second one, and a double dagger for the third, etc. These characters usually scan as either a lower case "t" or "f." What I've done in the past is use a double asterisk (**) for the dagger, and triple asterisk (***) for the double dagger. Whew! If you've gotten this far, thank you. Now my current situation: I have a page with all of the above. I amincluding the page below as I have it formatted. It seems a bit busy, butI don't know what else to do. So-- braille readers especially-- is there a character that can be represented in braille to replace the dagger and double dagger? The place in this page that gets really clunky is at footnote number 8. There is a dagger for the second note at the bottom of the page, followed by numbered note 8. Page from the book: The Lowell Offering achieved international fame. Charles Dickens in his American Notes referred to it as the "first clear notes of real life in America." An American returning from England reported: "The Lowell Offering is probably exciting more attention in England, than any other Americanpublication. It is talked of in the political as well as literary world." And in France, Thiers * arose in the Chamber of Deputies, waved a copy of the Lowell Offering in the air, and solemnly proclaimed that the magazineproved that in a democracy, labor could possess a mind and soul as well as a body. *7 It is hardly surprising that the Lowell Offering was welcomed by factory owners, and that they sent a written tribute to the editors, praising "the worthy enterprise in which they are engaged." ** *8 For the editors of theLowell Offering were not in the least concerned with wages and hours. "Wecould do nothing to regulate the price of wages of the world," wrote one ofthe editors. "We would not if we could, at least we would not make that aprominent subject in our pages, for we believe there are things of even greater importance." As for hours and working conditions-these were matters over which workers "have no control." They would come as a result of the kind-heartedness of the factory owners. The corporations would "in their own good time introduce the ten-hour system, and will not this be a noble deed?" *9 What, then, were the "things of even greater importance"? The only thing that really mattered, said the magazine's editor, was to "elevate, instruct and purify the mind and soul of the workers; to give them an outlet for thespiritual and emotional needs of the soul; to provide them with sweetness and light." Let the factory girls, therefore, meet in improvement circleswhere they would read and study. Armed with learning and culture, they could protect themselves from the crushing power of the machine which dehumanized the worker and robbed him of dignity and self-assurance. At the same time, they would prove to the world that there was "Mind among the Spindles." Aslong as the mind and the soul were free, what did it matter what happenedto the body? The philosophy of the factory girls should be that of the Apostles: "Having food and raiment, let us be therewith content." *10 The Lowell Offering was popular everywhere but among the factory girls. True, they wrote poems and stories for the magazine, believing * * * * In 1871, Thiers played a conspicuous role in the brutal suppression of the Paris Commune and in the wholesale slaughter of the Paris proletariat during the "Bloody Week" when reaction triumphed. ** in January, 1843, the Offering was purchased by William Schouler from its former proprietors. Schouler was an agent of the mill owners, a bitter foeof the ten-hour day, and was intensely hated by almost all factory girls.Ina signed statement, Schouler called upon all "who feel an interest in theprogress and good name of the factory system" to support the Offering. End of page. Thanks for any and all help! 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