[bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles

  • From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:01:01 -0700

Bob, in that situation, I just put a blank line at the top of the page, the word header and a blank line between header and the title of the story, chapter heading, etc. I did look at one of the books which I validated after it was accepted to the collection. Chapter titles remained in tact, and in most instances the word header was gone, but one did lurk around.


I wish there were a fullproof solution! Like you, I do not move page numbers from the bottom to the top of pages.

Cat Lover Lori

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:12 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles


You are probably right Mayrie.

Could I just put the page number of the pages where a story begins at the top of the page?

Frankly, each of these books have about 400 pages, and I refuse to manually move numbers from the bottom of the page to the top just to satisfy a computer program. I can't think of anything more tortuous than forcing someone to do that: this is probably in the same league with water boarding. (But I won't discuss whether that's torture or not.)

Anyway, I absolutely refuse to do that. Anyone else who wants to manually move about 1200 numbers from the bottom of the page to the top can be my guest. I think I'd rather grow a beard.

Now, if I can only put the page number at the top of pages on which a story begins, I'd be willing to do that, though it would be time consuming.

Bob (back to being a curmudgeon.)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:44 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles


Hi Carrie, Bob, and Everyone,

Hasn't it been agreed upon long ago that simply placing the page number, separated by a blank line, above the chapter heading or story title will protect the chapter heading or story title and keep it from being stripped? I thought this was the agreed upon reliable practice.

Peace,
Mayrie

At 11:02 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote:
Hi Bob,

I hate to say this, but I checked the first Sturgeon book, saw the several blank lines before each story title, approved the book, downloaded the DAISY version, and the story titles are gone. This is just flat wrong. I'll talk to Engineering about it tomorrow. I'll leave the other Sturgeon books in the approval queue until this gets sorted out.

Sorry!  It will get fixed, sooner or later (hopefully sooner!)  Carrie

----- Original Message ----
From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bookshare volunteer discussion <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:03:07 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles

I just wanted to give you kind folks a follow-up on the missing story titles
in the Theodore Sturgeon collections.

Originally, I noticed that just about all the titles of the stories in one
of these collections was missing. My first thought was to blame the
validator for not noticing this obvious error and fixing it. It turned out
that Misha was the hapless recipient of my anger, and I know that he's a
careful validator and wouldn't let something like that go. So then I thought
of the scannor, which was Carrie. Carrie is also an excellent scannor and
wouldn't let something like that get by. I was beginning to think of things
like divine intervention and demon posession.

I asked Carrie to send me the original document which was submitted by the validator, which she did, and "ah ha!" those ppesky titles were in place. In
fact, they seemed to be grinning up at me as if to say... but, I digress.

It turns out that the infamous stripper was doing the dirty to this
collection.

A short check of the bookshare collection shows that there are three other collections of Mr. Sturgeon's stories missing story titles in the bookshare
collection.

I have just uploaded those three books with, I hope, story titles in tact.
It turns out that
the solution is quite simple: I simply put a paragraph mark before and after all page breaks, and that damned stripper is fooled into leaving my titles
alone.

Just wanted to give a follow-up to this pesky problem.

Bob

"Strippers belong in bars, not libraries."--Author unknown.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <<mailto:curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles


> hmm, makes me wonder if the "stripper," should be used at all? Aren't > we
> sophisticated enough by this time to handle the vagaries of what is
> needed?
> Or, maybe not?
>
> Curtis Delzer
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> From: "Devorah Greenstein"
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> To: > <<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:31 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles
>
>
> Ouch ouch. Like Bob, I am more confused now. Plus I don't have the
> benefit of ever experiencing what these books are like after I > validate > them because I'm sighted. So it's like dropping many hours of work > into > a black hole and hoping for the best. And I, like many of you guys, am > a > perfectionist. So I go over every word, check spellings in weird > foreign
> names, check everything, make it as perfect as I can, and upload it.
>
> But then what is happening to my work?
>
> I always do the wonderful ^p^m^p thing so that there are blank lines > on > either side of the page breaks. But I have NOT been re-typing each > page
> number on the top of a page if the page numbers are at the bottom.
>
> I have left page numbers at the bottom of the page. Am I now correct > in
> my understanding that they all get wiped out? Even if there is a blank
> line between the page number and the following page break?
>
> I do put a page number on the top of the first page of a chapter. It
> just makes sense to do that. But is it mandatory put all other page
> numbers at the top of each page?
>
> If the mysterious stripper is so smart can't it tell numeric > characters > from alphabetic characters and leave numeric page numbers at the > bottom
> of the page?
>
> Devorah
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