[bksvol-discuss] Miraculous multiplication of book pages -- a bug of biblical proportion?
- From: Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:38:21 -0500
Ken, that worries me. I had not heard yet of K1000 Kes to RTF conversion
fowling page boundaries this badly . I am contacting Kurzweil on this
subject. They might need the settings file (OST) you used to reproduce
the problem.
The only setting which in my view may be the cause of these extra pages is
in recognition settings: partial columns should be ignored rather than
kept.
In the meantime, are you saying that a further K1000 conversion from RTF
to TXT cleans up the spurious page breaks? If that is the case, I will
try this in the next book where I encounter the problem.
I suggest that until we get the problem fixed programmatically, in the
meantime you convert problem books to TXT before submission to Bookshare.
Guido
forassistance. If we can provide with reproduceable scenarios, I am
sure they can address the problem
Guido D. Corona
IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
IBM Research,
Phone: (512) 838-9735
Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
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"Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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[bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the download queue
Actually, there is a very interesting problem, at least in Kurzweil 8.1. I
just saved a 219 page book from kes to rtf. The rtf version had five
hundred plus pages. More pointedly, after deleting the pages and saving
the book, the pages reappeared when the file was loaded and saved again.
That had nothing to do with the scanning and very little to do with the
actual reading of the book. Now that same book saved as a two hundred
page txt book, and if you want books in that format that is easy enough to
do.
----- Original Message -----
From: Guido Corona
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the download queue
Kenneth, I do agree that we cannot make things perfect, especially if
graphs and pictures are involved, which typically generate optical noise.
On the other hand I do urge all scanning volunteers to perform a modicum
of cleanup of their materials prior to posting to the system.
1. PLEASE do perform a book integrity check. If a print copy has 320
pages, there is no reason whatsoever that the etext should contain 1760
pages instead.
There should be a 1 to 1 correspondence in the bodytext between printed
pages and etext pages. Any volunteer can in most cases easily remove some
duplicate pages, but can't fix things when they are totally out of
kilter. Furthermore, it is a lot easier for the submitter to integrate any
missing pages as he/she has still access to the print copy.
In most cases, even if a few missing pages need to be inserted, a page
integrity check for a book does not take more than 15 minutes and would
save all reviewers a lot of wasted time.
In some cases there is -- as already mentioned -- a tremendous discrepancy
between pages in the printed book and etext pages, where the etext has 5
or 6 times the number of pages in the original. This likely points to
scanning/OCR settings that are way off, or an OCR package being used
which is less than adequate.
2. Lots of broken page headers make a book very tiring to read. Please
fix them or remove them. Kurzweil lets you remove page headers
automatically. Version 8 was a little radical in this regard and ended
removing also stuff it was not supposed to. Newest version 9, just
announced yesterday, has now an option for 'careful' header removal.
Yesterday I worked on one of your books. Kurzweil removed 190 headers.
Approx 120 headers I removed manually. It took me all of 15 minutes to do
the cleanup. As I had already performed a page integrity check and had
come up with perfect correspondence after removal of duplicate pages, I
also removed page numbers to do a faster job. Just want to get the
backlog down quickly.
3. Ah yes, those amazing synopses. Let us all try to be informative .
The short one should give our paying customers a very brief sense of the
book. If we are inclined to give more detailed info, a longer and useful
description can go in the long synopsis. I confess I hardly ever make up
my own synopsis, but I liberally borrow from the front matter of the
book, the back cover of paperbacks and the front and back flaps of hard
covers. Synopsis such as "Set in Alabama", "It's all in the Title",
"Thorough Treatment of the matter at hand" are unfortunately not
noticeably helpful and will only cause our paying customers to get
irritated and lose faith in Bookshare.
Of course, there is a lot more that submitters can do to improve the
quality of their postings, but even a little of upfront cleanup and a
clean submission process will enable us to offer a quality product to OUR
PAYING CUSTOMERS.
NOTE: By the way, Kurzweil will start shipping K1000 version 9 shortly.
I have used the beta and found OCR quality even improved over earlier
versions. I will post the announcement shortly. Cost of the upgrade is
$95 or $0.00, depending on the status of your account.
Guido D. Corona
IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
IBM Research,
Phone: (512) 838-9735
Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Visit my weekly Accessibility WebLog at:
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