[bksvol-discuss] Re: M dashes and fonts

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:36:06 -0500

On the point of the words hyphen and dash being used interchangeably, That is only partially true. When I hear someone saying the word hyphen they virtually always mean hyphen. However, when I hear someone using the word dash they might mean either hyphen or dash. I do note that the screen reader I use pronounces the hyphen as dash. It remains, though, that whether a screen reader is calling a hyphen a dash or a human is calling a hyphen a dash they are calling it by the wrong name.



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----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sue and Mayrie;

It really is difficult when editing terms are not used consistently amongst different programs. For what it is worth, speech recognition handles the word dash and the word hyphen in the style that sue indicated. It does get very confusing, however, not everyone is coming from the same background. That's why some of these discussions can be both frustrating and helpful, depending on which perspective you come from. For me, it is helpful to know that we are speaking about the same thing, just using different words.

The funny thing is that growing up I never knew that there was a difference between a dash or a hyphen, so I probably grew up in Mayrie's school of learning. Smiles.

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On Jan 24, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:

Hi Sue,

Wow, we had a big miscommunication.  I always heard the words dash and
hyphen used interchangeably. Fortunately, it doesn't matter any more, since
we don't need to convert em dashes to anything at all any more.  Whew!

Mayrie



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Hi Mayrie,

In the days when I took dictation on the dictaphone, if someone said dash,
they meant two hyphens, not one hyphen. If they said hyphen, they meant one
hyphen, not a dash, which was two hyphens.  Thus, I do not understand what
you mean when you say we were never told to convert M-dashes to dashes.
(smile)

Sue S.

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Hi Roger,

Never were we told to convert em dashes to a dash.  It used to be
necessary
to convert them to two hyphens, but now the conversion tools do this for
us.
A dash is a hyphen creating a compound word, an em dash, or in the old
days,
two hyphens denoted a pause in the reading.  Very, very different things,
so
if people are converting em dashes to a single hyphen or dash, they're not
helping at all!

Mayrie



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As I recall, we were told some time back that it is better if we change
the
m dashes to a dash, but it is not required.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Alvarado" <regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx>
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Ah something else I didn't know. I have been changing those crazy M-s to
1
dash.  One less step I guess!  Sorry Cindy for the misinformation.
Reggie

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Cindy good news you can leave the m dashes in since the braille
translation
software can now read them correctly, as far as fonts go, I'll let
someone
else answer that. Smiley good to have you back again.
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Ugh, I have proofread before, but there are things I should remember.
If I have to do a training book, not sure I will cause I'm not sure I
have the time.

First of all, if the book has m dashes, do we take those out, or do
they translate into double hyphens. Or should they be changed to --.
Second, am I supposed to go through this book and find fonts to change.
Some of these say 11 point, not greater than 14.

Metyhinks these are my only questions about the book.

Cindy

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