[bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?

From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:25:26 -0400
Hi, Scott. I thought he said he converted the single dashes that sometimes 
appear in the files to em-dashes. I know em-dashes themselves are different, 
but if that's not what he meant, then I apologize for misinterpreting, but 
that's what I thought he said. I have seen files where there was a single 
dash when there should have been an em-dash and I thought that's what he 
meant. At least in braille, the hyphen and the single dash are the same, so 
that's what I meant, but apparently, we're talking about two different 
things here so never mind. <smile> Take care.
Julie Morales
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Blanks" <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:01 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?


Actually, if I'm not mistaken, when you do a global replace of an m dash
with a double dash, you aren't affecting the "properly hyphenated words" at
all. If a word already has a single dash in it, removing m dashes should
have no affect on the single dashes which are already in place.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?


> Hi, Evan. The only problem with a global replace like that is what happens
> to properly-hyphenated words. When you replace a single dash with a double
> dash, that's going to change all of those words, too, and you don't want
> that. Take care.
> Julie Morales
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:35 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
>
>
> I don't know what the Braille translator does with them.  As I recall,  it
> either doesn't display them properly, or it only puts in one dash instead
> of
> two, which is what you should have in the Braille file.  I do know that in
> books I scan and read as rtf files, they are not properly displayed on my
> Pac Mate.  I generally convert them to double dashes with a quick search
> and
> replace all in Word before sending them up to Bookshare.
>
> I'm not changing that.  I don't see why Braille readers should have to
> suffer through crummy-looking text because someday some future software
> upgrade just might fix the problem - assuming there is one.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Blanks" <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:31 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
>
>
>> I'm curious though, which comes out better in braille: m dash, or double
>> dash? Does it matter? I seem to specifically remember several people on
>> this list encouraging the conversion of m dashes to double dashes for the
>> benefit of braille readers.
>>
>> Can anybody comment?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Pratik patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:39 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
>>
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Please stick with the M-dash character when you enter it.  The automated
>>> tools may not support the proper conversion, but, we have to make sure
>>> that
>>> future versions of those tools do support such conversions.  The em-dash
>>> character is a slightly shorter character than the double dash (--).  I
>>> know
>>> we have been working with the formatting to satisfy the stripper
>>> requirement; but we should try to take a conservative approach when
>>> editting
>>> the original text especially when it comes to formatting.  In some
>>> cases,
>>> we
>>> might have to move words around or make slight font changes but we
>>> should
>>> avoid making other changes.
>>>
>>> Pratik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pratik Patel
>>> Director, CUNY Assistive technology Services (CATS)
>>> The City University of New York
>>> pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:55 AM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
>>>
>>> Is Lissi right in what she says about two dashes
>>> instead of an em dash being easier to read in braile?
>>> What about with Daisy? What should I be doing, em dash
>>> or double dash?
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> --- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Jake,
>>>>
>>>> Your directions worked perfectly! I'm levitating! We
>>>> all know I'm not the
>>>> fastest barge on the canal when it comes to
>>>> computers, but your instructions
>>>> put those m dashes exactly where I needed them.
>>>>
>>>> The M dash will be especially easy to remember
>>>> because it's insert 4 as you
>>>> said for jaws, and then tapping e 4 times to reach m
>>>> dash and enter not even
>>>> having to go to OK!
>>>>
>>>> Also exciting is the fact I saw a slew of items
>>>> listed in the insert 4
>>>> dialogue box which may turn out to be useful!!
>>>>
>>>> The book I'm working on is an Irish memoir. Instead
>>>> of using quotes or
>>>> apostrophes, there's a dash or m dash before all
>>>> quotes and no mark to show
>>>> the end of the quote. It's plain in print because
>>>> quotes are inserted
>>>> farther than the narrative, but I think braille
>>>> readers will quickly catch
>>>> the pattern.
>>>>
>>>> While blissfully making my corrections with the new
>>>> command, I noticed that
>>>> the scanner read these unique indications of quotes
>>>> as dash about half of
>>>> the time and M dash the other half with some minus
>>>> signs thrown in for
>>>> variety. The mixture was random so I made a command
>>>> decision to use the
>>>> simpler dash to indicate quotes. I'm on page 27 now
>>>> and all quotes are
>>>> uniformly indicated with a single dash, easier for
>>>> me and the reader.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, when this book is approved, I'm going to
>>>> mention that while
>>>> anyone interested in quirky humor, Irish culture and
>>>> recalling life from
>>>> 1959 through 1960 something will like this book, but
>>>> the POV, and the
>>>> father, a kind of hero to the author will really
>>>> appeal to the gritty guys
>>>> among the members. I'm entranced, but regularly
>>>> amused in spite of myself
>>>> and grossed out, too.
>>>>
>>>> Always with love,
>>>>
>>>> Lissi
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for helping me to enjoy another break
>>>> through!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:52 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi Lissi,
>>>> >    There are two easy ways to insert an em-dash
>>>> >
>>>> > If you're using Microsoft Word, you can press
>>>> CTRL+ALT+the minus sign on
>>>> > the numpad.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you're using JAWS, you can press INSERT+4 (the
>>>> 4 on the regular
>>>> > keyboard) and you'll get a list of symbols. Press
>>>> the letter e a few times
>>>> > and you'll find em dash, then press enter.
>>>> >
>>>> > That's all there is to it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jake
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:16 PM
>>>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] M dash, how to make it?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Dear Volunteer Friends,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There was a discussion here about making that
>>>> long dash called m dash by
>>>> >> Jaws using microsoft word while validating an RTF
>>>> file. How to make it
>>>> >> with other programs might have been mentioned,
>>>> too.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What I mostly remember is that it was suggested
>>>> that just using 2 dashes
>>>> >> comes out better for the braille reader in
>>>> Bookshare's BRF file of a
>>>> >> book. So, I decided that when I had a choice, I'd
>>>> use 2 dashes.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> However, the book I'm validating is already
>>>> packed with m dashes, so if I
>>>> >> fix one, I thought it should match them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> How do I make an m dash? Occasionally jaws calls
>>>> an m dash a minus, and I
>>>> >> want to replace the minus signs with m dashes. If
>>>> anyone can point me to
>>>> >> the answer or remind me how to do this, I'd
>>>> appreciate it and save the
>>>> >> information in my Bookshare Tips file.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> While I wait to hear about this, I'll mark the
>>>> spot and go on. I'm only
>>>> >> on page 12, but this book really motivates me to
>>>> make good progress.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hope all of your current endeavors are going
>>>> swimmingly. - Smile
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Always with love,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lissi
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References:
- [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
  - From: Pratik patel
- [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
  - From: Scott Blanks
- [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
  - From: Evan Reese
- [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
  - From: Julie Morales
- [bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?
  - From: Scott Blanks
[bksvol-discuss] Re: M dash, how to make it?

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