I can think of instances where, in order to answer a volunteer's question, people have gotten an archived message with a great explanation of the problem and reposted it. This saved someone having to write out a new explanation. Those archives are useful. When Marissa was the volunteer coordinator she used to remind us that our messages were archived, when arguments got out of hand. Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Keeping The List Open To Searches I totally agree with you Monica. If I have something to say to someone that I wouldn't want the world to see I'll send them a private message. BTW: Your message is an excellent example of a well-reasoned argument. Care to give lessons? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Keeping The List Open To Searches > Hi, everyone. I have been reading the posts on this list about how and > by whom the volunteers' list can be accessed. Some of you are asking > Bookshare to close the list to searches, and I respect your feelings. > I'd like to understand what types of information you'd like to be kept > private since Freelists is already marking out your email address when > people do a search. Maybe that would help me understand your position > better. > > I think I am in the minority for now, and I'd like to share why I like > having our list archives open to everyone. I hope that our list stays > open for three reasons. The first is that people who are in the > process of learning about scanning can access ideas from this list > while they're in the planning stage of choosing OCR software and > buying a scanner. We don't usually get a person signed up to this list > until after the deed is done, and that means we get a lot of people > with poor tools as they begin. Due to the cost of the software, > they're often locked into a product that doesn't suit them and makes > scanning harder. Since our list archive is open, they can use Google > to find out which scanning software works best and get real opinions > instead of sales hype. > > The second advantage of having an open list is that using Google gives > me more specific search results if I'm trying to learn about a topic. > The Freelists search feature isn't very specific and gives me all > kinds of results that I don't need. With Google, I can do a search for > a phrase containing scanner recommendation or suggestion but not > Opticbook. This would quickly let me see scanner recommendations for > brands of scanners other than the OpticBook. I can do this search from > the computer store while I'm looking at scanners. I can even do this > search on my cell phone while riding to the store. This would be > impossible to do if the list were closed. Being able to do this search > would save the entire list from getting another round of "which > scanner should I buy." That's a thread that already pops up once a > month or so. > > The third reason I think the list should stay open is that closing it > won't actually protect anyone's privacy. Having a closed or private > list doesn't make it safer but does give its members a false sense of > security. Email itself isn't very secure since all a person would > have to do is forward a list member's email to someone else or even > paste its contents onto a website. After that, all bets are off. > Someone from the Bookshare Discuss list proved that last summer when > she posted one of my messages from here to a list where we had been > asked not to post about a certain topic. She used her email client's > forward message button, and my post hit that list ten seconds later > with my email address and Skype name in full view. I had to deal with > the fall-out of that choice for weeks. Having this list closed to > searching wouldn't have changed the situation at all except for one > thing. I was about to be banned from that list, but I asked the > moderator to search our archives so I could prove that my message was > written in response to a question on this list and that it was never > intended for anyone on her list. Because she was able to see that my > email had been posted without my consent, I was not banned. > > Right now, Freelists marks out your email address for searches of the > archives. It even filters out email addresses in your signature too. > So only your name and what you write about are visible in searches. I > think it's unwise to put your phone number or mailing address at the > bottom of messages going to lists. That's not because of the open or > closed list deal. It's because anyone on the list can post or forward > that information anywhere he or she wishes with just one keystroke. > > So for these reasons, I hope Bookshare will leave the list as it has > been for the past several years. I think it will help our community as > a whole as well as serving the needs of its members. > > -- > Monica Willyard > Visit my blog at http://www.scannersguild.com > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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