[bksvol-discuss] Re: Jumper bso weirdness, continued

  • From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:47:14 -0800

Hi Cait!

        You guys were definitely determined!  Congratulations on solving
your problem!  Big fat bummer about a less pretty scan though.  

        I'm glad you found a solution.  I've never encountered this problem
but will watch for it.  I'm glad you shared with us.

Mayrie

 

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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jumper bso weirdness, continued

Thanks, Mayrie, all your suggestions do help, and I'm learning a ton from
all of you!

This whole thing has been weird, to say the least!  Changing the paper size
did help a little, I got the file down from 553 pages to 467 that way, with
a huge paper size of 11 x 22!  Changing the font size didn't seem to help,
though, but now thanks to your suggestions, I've made Times New Roman and 10
point my default font for both Word and Kersi.  Mark suggested rerecognizing
the pages using another engine, which we did, and we managed to get a
seemingly clean file so far, as far as the extra hard page breaks go.
Unfortunately, though, it wasn't as clean a scan as it was with scansoft(I
used Fine engine this time), so there is a bunch of work for me to do before
resubmitting the file for validation again.

I am not a Jaws user, I use Window Eyes, but it acts like you said, saying
"page break" for hard page breaks and just a page number for the soft ones.

Cait


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Hi Cait!

        I honestly do not know what the problem could be. Christina did have
a good point.  I'm just clarifying here.  When you open your file in Word it
has too many actual page breaks, right?  Not soft page breaks that go away
when paper size isn't an issue?  All of the suggestions about standardizing
font and enlarging paper size won't help if there are too many hard page
breaks.  Hard page breaks meaning those that are not inserted by Word
because of paper size. Hard page breaks are actually announced if you are
using JAWS as you arrow over them.  JAWS will say "page break" when passing
over a page break, but will just say "page 32" for instance when passing
over a soft page break.  

        So, if your overabundance of page breaks are hard page breaks, I'm
stumped.  Wish I had something more encouraging to say.

Mayrie

 

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Hmm.. Ok.  I saved that nice long post you did a while ago about the black
belt validation stuff- isI'll have to dig that out again and reread it.

The whole baffling thing with this was that I scanned the book, etc,
prevalidated it in kersi.  Everything looked fine, so I submitted it.  I got
a note saying that there were too many page breaks, so I rechecked my
original .rtf file, and sure enough, there were indeed, too many pages.  So
I started the entire process again, starting with the original .kes file,
converting it to .rtf, etc.  Everything looks fine in kersi, but when I
opened it in Word, it had 553 pages instead of 353.

What's confusing to me is that the original .kes file is page for page
what's in the book..

This is crazy making!(smile)

Cait
Ps-I really appreciate all this help!


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Hi Cait!

        I'm not Lissi, but you can use either program.  I do it in Word at
the end of the prevalidation process along with surrounding page breaks with
blank lines and changing em dashes to double hyphens.  These are all things
that can be done in seconds when using Word.  You can use Kurzweil for the
page break protection and the font standardization, but Kurzweil doesn't
allow an easy way to convert em dashes to double hyphens.  So, and this is
just me, I just do all of it in Word.

Mayrie
 

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Ok, I can try that, too.  Should I fix it in Word, or K1000?
 
Cait
 
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Dear Cait,
 
Lowering the font size for the whole file may help. 
 
Always with love,
 
Lissi

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        From: My Nickels Worth <mailto:lavendar@xxxxxxxxx>  
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        Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:58 PM
        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Jumper bso weirdness, continued
        
        

        Ok, I went ahead and changed the paper size in Word from letter to
Legal, as Christina suggested.  That took the document from 553 pages down
to 467 pages.. Any other suggestions?  In /through all this, Kersi is still
adament that the same document is 353 pages.

        Cait 


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