[bksvol-discuss] Re: Jaws commands

  • From: Angel Murphy <angel.murphy83@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:16:41 -0500

Hey Misha I just wanted to tell u thanks for the help. But I am a totally blind 
user of Bookshare. An the manual is confusing to understand. That's y I am 
asking for help. Because I don't understand the manual, and what it is saying. 
I hope that everyone is able to understand.

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, misha <mishatronics@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Angel,
> 
> Glad you got JAWS doing what you want it to, since I'm a sighted volunteer 
> and can't help much with that.  But as to what you do as a proofer, That I 
> know a lot about.  Actually, you should read the proofing and scanning manual 
> in the volunteer section of the bookshare web site, first.  But that can take 
> a while and you can make a useful start on proofing without it.
> 
> Here's a brief summary of what you need to "fix."
> 
> The scanning and character recognition programs make mistakes (we call them 
> scannos as an analogy to typing errors that are called typos). Most of these 
> are where one or two letters are mistaken for other letters with 
> approximately the same shape.  A very simple example is i, l, 1, are all 
> vertical lines.  Any one of them can be mistaken from the other.  So if a 
> word has a 1 in the middle of it and the sentence makes sense by putting i or 
> l in place of the 1, that's an obvious fix.  Similarly for o and 0. Then 
> there are combinations of letters that are similar rl, and ri can be 
> converted to n; ni, nl, ln, in, rn, nr can be converted to m.  And since they 
> are similar to m, they are similar to each other so any one of them can 
> become any of the others.  Then there is the less obvious by shape, but at 
> one time quite frequent conversion of th into di making all the occurrences 
> of the into die, and a very depressing read.
> 
> One way to get a lot of these fixed is to use the spelling correction in your 
> proofing program (Word or K1000 or whatever). Almost all of the time these 
> result in nonsense, not real words, so the spelling checker will find them.  
> Unfortunately, the spelling checkers are mostly geared to providing hints in 
> terms of typical typing errors, not letter shape errors so the alternatives 
> it provides are often useless. But by consideration of letter shapes and the 
> context of the sentence it is usually pretty obvious what the intent was.
> 
> In some cases the scanno can be a real word, though.  The only way to find 
> these is by actually reading the text
> 
> The easiest problems to find (but not always to fix) are when there was a 
> smudge or a picture on the page and the scanning and character recognition 
> program tried to make that into words and instead just  added nonsense.  If 
> everything around that nonsense makes sense and seems complete, then you can 
> just eliminate the junk.  But, knowing for sure whether that is all junk can 
> be a problem.  If you are not sure, you can email the person who did the scan 
> to send a rescan of the page.  Also, there are many of us sighted volunteers 
> that can check the book  when Amazon or google books has a preview online or 
> when it is available at a nearby library.  There are 4 libraries within 10 
> miles of where I live, between them I've found some pretty obscure books 
> (actually there are 3 other libraries at colleges, but I can only go there 
> and look at books, they won't let me check them out).
> 
> Beyond merely fixing the text there is formatting chapter headings for easy 
> DAISY navigation, dealing with page arangement of things like sidebars and 
> footnotes in non-fiction books and much more that I will leave to the 
> scanning and proofing manual to explain.
> 
> I hope you enjoy proofing for bookshare.
> 
> Misha
> 
> On 11/11/2012 8:25 PM, Angel Murphy wrote:
>> Yes Sue that's right. But I figured out how to do it. Thanks. But now I have 
>> another question to ask. When I am reading. What kind of mistakes am I 
>> looking for exactly?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:06 PM, "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think what Angel is wanting to do is to set Jaws so that she will hear 
>>> all punctuation in Word, but she does not want to hear it in other 
>>> programs--for instance if she is reading a book for pleasure. Since I am a 
>>> Braille only user, I can't answer her question. But is it possible for her 
>>> to set Jaws so that she will only hear all the punctuation when proofing in 
>>> Word?
>>> 
>>> Sue S.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Martha Rafter
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:43 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jaws commands
>>> 
>>> Hi Angel,
>>>  If you are speaking of proofreading, you need to have your JAWS set to
>>> read all of the punctuation so that you can catch it and fix it if it is not
>>> correct.  A scanner will often put in a lot of stuff that is not in the text
>>> of the book, and you will need to remove it.  HTH!
>>> Marty
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Angel Murphy
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 7:41 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Cc: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jaws commands
>>> 
>>> So when I am reading a book. What does the punctuation need to b set on?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 6:32 PM, "Martha Rafter" <mlhr@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Angel,
>>>> Netta's suggestion will do universal punctuation, but if you want to turn 
>>>> on all the punctuation on just the file that you are working on, hold down 
>>>> the JAWS key and hit v.  Then hit p, which will give you the punctuation. 
>>>> Make sure that you put it on 'all' and your JAWS will give you all the 
>>>> punctuation marks.  HTH!
>>>> Marty
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Dornetta
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 4:34 PM
>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jaws commands
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Angel;
>>>> You can do that by going to the Jaws options, Insert V, and check the box
>>>> for punctuation , all, I think that the default setting is set to most.
>>>> Netta
>>>> "Just because you are blind does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie Wonder
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