[bksvol-discuss] Janice's bookshare phone number & OT: names
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:09:37 -0700 (PDT)
That's good to know, Deborah. I've saved that info
now.
BTW, my younger daughter's first name is the same as
yours. I was finally able to access the site Shelley
gave us once that gives the popularity of names over
the years. I was surprised that Deborah, spelled that
way, isn't as popular as I thought. On the other hand,
Dori, spelled that way (my elder daughter's name) is
more popular, especially in the mid-sixties, than
either she or I thought.
Here's the URL in case you or anyone else wants to
check it or any other name out. It was rather fun, but
I spent more time checking names than I chould have
given all the validating that awaits me--especially
with Gustavo saying he wants more books to check so he
doesn't have to do is other work (grin)--which is why
I validate instead of house-clean (grin).
Cindy
--- Deborah Kent Stein <dkent5817@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Janice Carter has told me that she is available via
> phone to answer
> questions and respond to comments from Bookshare
> volunteers. She has posted
> her number to the list: 650-759-5828. I think it is
> very important for us
> to express our concerns and share our ideas with the
> Bookshare staff, and
> perhaps talking with Janice directly is an effective
> way for us to have
> input.
>
> Debbie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:39 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: To Strip Or Not To
> Strip
>
>
> > Well, I think I have been supportive of BookShare.
> I have on their system
> > almost fifteen hundred contributed books. But the
> comments I make on this
> > list are not responded to by the BookShare staff,
> and I don't see
> responses
> > to others, either, when most questions are posed.
> I have to say that,
> from
> > what I have seen and heard, volunteers are much
> more supportive of
> BookShare
> > than Bookshare is supportive of them.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:45 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: To Strip Or Not To
> Strip
> >
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Why should Bookshare be willing to "lobby
> Kurzweil and all the rest" if
> > > volunteers aren't willing to lobby them as well?
> > >
> > > Also, Just because you don't see any legal
> issues related to your
> proposed
> > > changes doesn't mean that none exist, nor does
> it mean that there aren't
> > > technical issues or financial constraints which
> could prevent those
> > proposed
> > > changes from being implemented if they do happen
> to be legal.
> > >
> > > Even if there are no legal, technical, or
> financial issues related to
> your
> > > proposed changes, why should Bookshare wish to
> implement them for
> someone
> > > who constantly makes it known that they do not
> appreciate their service?
> > > Keep in mind that even the squeakiest wheel can
> be ignored when it
> > > continuously squeaks.
> > >
> > > BTW, what happened to
> > >
> > > "Yet, we, as users of these books, were very
> appreciative, grateful and
> > > thankful to have them and didn't publicly
> grumble about their
> > > shortcomings."
> > >
> > > "Bookshare, in many ways, is a very similar
> operation albeit utilizing
> > > technology of the next generation.
> > > Perhaps we've forgotten the essence of Bookshare
> philosophy --
> > > making reading material available -- and are too
> much focusing on
> > > technical issues which end up frustrating many
> of us even more and, at
> > > least in my mind, am greatly taking away the
> enjoyment of making books
> > > available to others."
> > >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:05 AM
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: To Strip Or Not To
> Strip
> > >
> > >
> > > Kenneth
> > >
> > > I couldn't say it any better! BookShare, if it
> is to survive in the
> > > long-term, has to make book submitting and the
> end product for its
> > > users straightforward, simple and what people
> want and need.
> > > If it cannot, submitters will not submit,
> customers may pay once and not
> > > renew due to dissatisfaction, and financial
> contributors will see what
> > > they don't want to see and either stop
> supporting or not be interested
> in
> > > supporting.
> > > It's up to Bookshare/Benetech to do the lobbying
> with Kurzweil and all
> the
> > > rest and not for us volunteers.
> > >
> > > My first interest in volunteering for
> > > Bookshare was to bring about more availability
> of Christian-related
> > > non-fiction and fiction books. Hence, if time
> and technology show that
> > > there is a better avenue for this for whatever
> reason, I, and likely
> > > others, will turn our support and energy to that
> entity.
> > > Bookshare, like any first attempt at something,
> provides a learning
> curve
> > > for others watching and considering such
> enterprises.
> > > Clearly, BookShare's most significant problem is
> its shoestring
> operation
> > > which doesn't allow it the ability to make
> necessary improvements,
> closely
> > > work with volunteers, work with 3rd parties to
> improve auxiliary
> products,
> > > provide volunteers with tools, and all the rest.
> > > The shame is that we will likely never know what
> a financially
> overflowing
> > > Bookshare could do as that would mean more paid
> employees doing work, an
> > > online system which would evolve into
> robustness, and all the rest.
> > >
> > > The real hope is that, over time, there will be
> no need for a Bookshare
> > > because
> > > publishers will be able to deliver electronic
> texts along aside their
> > > printed books simultaneouslly in a form blind
> users can handle
> > > conveniently.
> > > Then, at some point, a generation or 2 down the
> line, NLS, RFB&D,
> services
> > > such as Bookshare may become dinosaurs or, if
> they exist, be radically
> > > different from what they are today.
> > >
> > > It's often hard to see those changes when we're
> in the midst of them.
> But
> > > think, for example, how much use blind patrons
> can now actually make of
> > > their public library. Regular books can be
> borrowed for scanning, audio
> > > book collections are growing, and, with devices
> such as Freedom Box, a
> > > patron can bring this with them to use the
> library's publicly available
> > > computers.
> > > And thanks to the library catalogs more and more
> being online, blind as
> > > well as sighted customers can do their searching
> from home.
> > >
> > > 30 years ago, much of this would have been
> viewed as fanciful science
> > > fiction and beyond practical reality. Well, it
> is more and more here;
> and
> > > it wouldn't surprise me that a file sharing
> system such as BookShare
> will
> > > evolve into or be replaced by something far more
> efficient in the coming
> > > decades.
> > > We don't know what that will exactly be, but the
> march of technology and
> > > human ingenuity and entrepreneurship will take
> the current learning
> > > experiences and build or remold a better
> mousetrap, so to speak.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Returning this to the original subject, it's not
> just having page
> numbers
> > > that is important, it is having the right ones
> and being able to verify
> > > them by viewing from the text rather than
> synthesized by an automated
> tool
> > > which already is viewed as being significantly
> flawed by many.
> > >
> > > The first step in this process would be
> including, in the file bundle of
> > > Daisy, the book as validated prior to in-house
> massaging.
> > > Perhaps even more, adding another file which was
> the original submission
> > > itself.
> > >
> > > I don't see any legal issues here as accessing
> those files would require
> a
> > > password much as getting the .opf and .htm files
> that are already part
> of
> > > the package.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kenneth A. Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > > The translation is that, since BookShare will
> listen to no one, we
> > should
> > > > take our problems to others. I have all the
> devices you mentioned,
> but
> > I
> > > > just can't find the plethora of page numbers
> you find. I guess I
> don't
> > > read
> > > > such advanced books.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:52 PM
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: To Strip Or Not
> To Strip
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Kenneth,
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if we have many options at this
> time. I would expect
> > Peter
> > > > to
> > > > > be better informed than I am, though, so
> maybe he can answer your
> > > > question.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only two DAISY readers that I know of
> other than K-1000 and
> > OpenBook
> > > > are
> > > > > Victor Reader Soft and FS Reader.
> Personally, I don't like using
> > Victor
> > > > > Reader Soft, but I have seen it display page
> numbers, and it can be
> > > > > downloaded from Bookshare. I've never tried
> FS Reader, so I don't
> > know
> > > > how
> > > > > Freedom Scientific handles page numbers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I prefer to forgo DAISY at this
> time in favor of the
> HTML
> > > file
> > > > > that can be unpacked with the DAISY files.
> Since that file is
> merely
> > an
> > > > > HTML file, it can be read using Internet
> Explorer and JAWS. I like
> > > being
> > > > > able to skim passages in books that I've
> already read using JAWS to
> > fast
> > > > > forward to the next paragraph. The other
> nice thing about it is
> that
> > > I've
> > > > > never seen a book which doesn't have page
> numbers throughout the
> text.
> > > > > Occasionally I see two sets of page numbers,
> though. My guess is
> that
> > > > this
> > > > > is caused by the Stripper not being able to
> recognize page numbers,
> so
> > > it
> > > > > assigns page numbers based on a page's
> location in a file, which, as
> > we
> > > > all
> > > > > know, may not synch with the page numbers in
> the book since many
> books
> > > > begin
> > > > > numbering the pages with the first page of
> the prologue or chapter
> 1.
> > > > >
> > > > > If many of you are using K-1000 to read the
> DAISY files as I
> suspect,
> > > and
> > > > > you aren't able to see page numbers
> throughout the text as you would
> > > like,
> > > > > then I'd suggest making your wish known to
> Kurzweil.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerald
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Kenneth A.
> > > > > Cross
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:02 PM
> > > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: To Strip Or
> Not To Strip
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have asked before, and will use this
> communication to ask again,
> > just
> > > > what
> > > > > do I buy to read these daisy files with the
> page numbers and all.
> As
> > > soon
> > > > > as I get an answer, I will buy whatever
> brand is recommended to me
> and
> > > > will
> > > > > report on my joy at getting all these
> correct page numbers.
> Somebody
> > > tell
> > > > > me what to buy.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:29 PM
> > > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: To Strip Or
> Not To Strip
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jana,
> > > > > > Sorry to hear you're an evacuee. But what
> dedication, to bring
> your
> > > > > > Bookshare stuff with you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You seem to be saying that you are
> protecting page numbers with
> > stars.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > should not. The stripper needs the page
> numbers to be
> recognizable
> > so
> > > > it
> > > > > > can put them in the file for Daisy readers
> (us non-Daisy users are
> > > just
> > > > > out
> > > > > > in the cold.) As I understand it, the
> page number must be on the
> > > first,
> > > > > or
> > > > > > last, line of a page, with a blank line
> below it, or above it, if
> > it's
> > > > on
> > > > > > the bottom. Then, the stripper is
> supposed to recognize it and,
> > yes,
> > > > > strip
> > > > > > it, putting it into some place for Daisy
> to see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I do with headers, as a validator, is
> cut out the text
> portion,
> > > and
> > > > > > leave the page number, then make sure the
> number is at the top,
> with
> > a
> > > > > blank
> > > > > > line under it, or at the bottom, with a
> blank line before it.
> Clear
> > > as
> > > > > Mud?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What you did with chapter headings sounds
> fine.
> > > > > > Tracy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 11:18 PM 10/6/05 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > > >Hi, all! Okay, so life as an evacuee is
> getting a bit boring,
> and
> > I
> > > > > > thought I'd have a little fun with the
> subject line. <Smile>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm about to submit a book which I've
> been working on for a
> while.
> > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > left the headings in the book for now, and
> I've protected the
> > chapter
> > > > > > headings and page numbers with asterisks.
> The chapter headings
> have
> > > > > > asterisks on the very top line of the
> page, followed by a blank
> > line.
> > > > The
> > > > > > page numbers, which are at the bottom of
> the page, are followed by
> a
> > > > blank
> > > > > > line and then about five asterisks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >My question is actually twofold, I guess.
> Will this be enough to
> > > keep
> > > > > the
> > > > > > stripper from going too far? If so,
> should I go ahead and strip
> the
> > > > > > headers, replacing them with asterisks? I
> know we've about
> > discussed
> > > > this
> > > > > > one to death, but since I don't have all
> of the BookShare posts on
> > my
> > > > > > laptop, and since I've had just a few
> things on my mind other than
> > > > > Bookshare
> > > > > > for the past week and a half, I thought
> I'd see if someone could
> > > refresh
> > > > > my
> > > > > > memory. Thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jana
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
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> > > > > > >Director Of Training
> > > > > > >Indigo Logix, LLC
> > > > > > >Direct: (615)661-5254
> > > > > > >E-mail: jana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >Web Site: http://www.indigo-logix.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
>
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> ministry, visit her web site
> at
> > > > > > >http://www.janajackson.com/.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,
> all! Okay, so life as an
> > > evacuee
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >getting a bit boring, and I thought I'd
> have a little fun with
> the
> > > > > subject
> > > > > > line.
> > > > > > ><Smile></FONT></DIV>
> > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face=Arial
> size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm about to
> submit a book which
> I've
> > > been
> > > > > > working
> > > > > > >on for a while. I have left the
> headings in the book for
> now,
> > > and
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > >protected the chapter headings and page
> numbers with
> > asterisks.
> > > > The
> > > > > > >chapter headings have asterisks on the
> very top line of the page,
> > > > > followed
> > > > > > by a
> > > > > > >blank line. The page numbers, which
> are at the bottom of
> the
> > > > page,
> > > > > are
> > > > > > >followed by a blank line and then about
> five asterisks.
> > > > > </FONT></DIV>
> > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face=Arial
> size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My question
> is actually twofold, I
> > > > > guess.
> > > > > > >Will this be enough to keep the stripper
> from going too
> far?
> > If
> > > > so,
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > >I go ahead and strip the headers,
> replacing them with
> > > asterisks?
> > > > I
> > > > > know
> > > > > > >we've about discussed this one to death,
> but since I don't have
> all
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >BookShare posts on my laptop, and since
> I've had just a few
> things
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > mind
> > > > > > >other than Bookshare for the past week
> and a half, I thought I'd
> > see
> > > if
> > > > > > someone
> > > > > > >could refresh my memory.
> Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
> > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face=Arial
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> > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face=Arial
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> >
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