[bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:37:56 -0800 (PST)
Dave,
I think Sue mis-spoke and meant Pratik. He'd said
he'd let us know on Monday what his Latin phrase meant
-- he thought he was going to leave us to stew and
fret ourselves over the weekend, tearing our hair or
knocking our brains out -- but we went to google and
solved the problem, although not quite accurately. But
it had the effect of getting him to make corrections
so we wouldn't have the wrong information. He's the
one who had to work a little harder over the weekend
since he was kind enough to educate us a bit more
about proper Latin construction.
Cindy
-- talmage@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Hi Sue,
>
> I'm not sure what you meant about google.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:07 PM 3/12/2005, you wrote:
>
> >Ah well! There were all these choices and I didn't
> have Latin. We could
> >choose Latin or French and I chose French because
> it "sounded prettier".
> ><<sigh> As Cindy pointed out, Dave, you forgot
> about Google. <smile>
> >
> >Sue S.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:25 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
> >
> >
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I have not yet departed for CSUN. I'm actually
> planning to get there
> >Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> >1. The "moritori" should, in fact, have been
> "morituri." My usual sense of
> >"perfection," as Cindy terms it, is marred by my
> dismal fingers, not being
> >able to obey my brain's commands.
> >
> >2. Latin, unlike English, often gives the word
> order a secondary
> >consideration to sound and meaning. As a result,
> "morituri te salutamus,"
> >"te salutamus morituri," and "salutamus te
> morituri" have the same exact
> >meaning. However the original phrasing, "morituri
> te salutamus" sounds much
> >more fluid and was used by gladiators. The verb
> often ends up being at the
> >end of the sentence.
> >
> >3. The correct translation is "we, who are about
> to die, salute you!"
> >Cindy, the phrase you found "morituri te salutant,"
> while grammatically in
> >order, has a different meaning. The conjugated
> form "salutant" implies a
> >third person plural subject; and, as the phrase was
> used by the gladiators
> >themselves, it cannot be the correct one. The
> correct translation for that
> >phrase is "they, who are about to die, salute you."
> There is a second
> >reason why that phrase would not have been used.
> Most of the gladiators
> >were slaves and would simply not have refered
> themselves as "they." I'm
> >afraid that particular source did not do his/her
> homework correctly.
> >
> >There goes my idea of leaving you something to do
> so that you don't cause
> >trouble. Maybe I should think of something else.
> >
> >Prat
> >
> >
> >Pratik Patel
> >Interim Director
> >Office of Special Services
> >Queens College
> >Director
> >CUNY Assistive Technology Services
> >The City University of New York
> > ppatel@xxxxxx
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Cindy
> >Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:12 PM
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
> >
> >Sue, I think he made a mistake. I, too, did some
> >research. The Las Vegas Gladiators seems to have Te
> >Salutimus Morituri! as its motto, and someone names
> >starmoth (do you think it's a pseudonym of Prat's)
> has
> >published a list of 13 books about death, Favorite
> >Books about Death, and he uses Prat's phrase,
> >morituri te salutimus . But what you found is
> closest.
> >What I found was "Morituri te salutant," "we who
> are
> >about to die salute you" used by gladiators to
> salute
> >the Emperor. So not only did Prat give us the wrong
> >spelling of morituri (he reckoned with google --
> he,
> >he,he--), but his, or Las Vegas', syntax is wrong.
> >
> >The correct phrase would make sense, seeing that's
> >he's using it before going off to the wild (even
> >without Guido?) csun conference. (grin).
> >
> >Cindy
> >
> >-- siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "To those about to die we salute you."
> > >
> > > Did you type moritori instead of morituri?
> > > Prat's gone so what do you think, Cindy?
> Kellie?
> > > If he didn't trick us
> > > with a wrong letter, then I am way off. <lol>
> > >
> > > Sue S.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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