[bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:12:37 -0800 (PST)
That sounds lovely. Maybe you could bring one to CSUN
just in case.
Cindy
--- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Latin sounds quite pretty in it's own way. One day,
> if folks are interested
> and if we get to meet, I'll read aloud some Horace
> or Ovid or Virgil or
> Cicero.
>
> Prat
>
> Pratik Patel
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> Office of Special Services
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> Behalf Of siss52
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:07 PM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
>
>
> Ah well! There were all these choices and I didn't
> have Latin. We could
> choose Latin or French and I chose French because it
> "sounded prettier".
> <<sigh> As Cindy pointed out, Dave, you forgot
> about Google. <smile>
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:25 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have not yet departed for CSUN. I'm actually
> planning to get there
> Tuesday afternoon.
>
> 1. The "moritori" should, in fact, have been
> "morituri." My usual sense of
> "perfection," as Cindy terms it, is marred by my
> dismal fingers, not being
> able to obey my brain's commands.
>
> 2. Latin, unlike English, often gives the word
> order a secondary
> consideration to sound and meaning. As a result,
> "morituri te salutamus,"
> "te salutamus morituri," and "salutamus te morituri"
> have the same exact
> meaning. However the original phrasing, "morituri
> te salutamus" sounds much
> more fluid and was used by gladiators. The verb
> often ends up being at the
> end of the sentence.
>
> 3. The correct translation is "we, who are about to
> die, salute you!"
> Cindy, the phrase you found "morituri te salutant,"
> while grammatically in
> order, has a different meaning. The conjugated form
> "salutant" implies a
> third person plural subject; and, as the phrase was
> used by the gladiators
> themselves, it cannot be the correct one. The
> correct translation for that
> phrase is "they, who are about to die, salute you."
> There is a second
> reason why that phrase would not have been used.
> Most of the gladiators
> were slaves and would simply not have refered
> themselves as "they." I'm
> afraid that particular source did not do his/her
> homework correctly.
>
> There goes my idea of leaving you something to do so
> that you don't cause
> trouble. Maybe I should think of something else.
>
> Prat
>
>
> Pratik Patel
> Interim Director
> Office of Special Services
> Queens College
> Director
> CUNY Assistive Technology Services
> The City University of New York
> ppatel@xxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Cindy
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:12 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is this is?
>
> Sue, I think he made a mistake. I, too, did some
> research. The Las Vegas Gladiators seems to have Te
> Salutimus Morituri! as its motto, and someone names
> starmoth (do you think it's a pseudonym of Prat's)
> has
> published a list of 13 books about death, Favorite
> Books about Death, and he uses Prat's phrase,
> morituri te salutimus . But what you found is
> closest.
> What I found was "Morituri te salutant," "we who are
> about to die salute you" used by gladiators to
> salute
> the Emperor. So not only did Prat give us the wrong
> spelling of morituri (he reckoned with google -- he,
> he,he--), but his, or Las Vegas', syntax is wrong.
>
> The correct phrase would make sense, seeing that's
> he's using it before going off to the wild (even
> without Guido?) csun conference. (grin).
>
> Cindy
>
> -- siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > "To those about to die we salute you."
> >
> > Did you type moritori instead of morituri?
> > Prat's gone so what do you think, Cindy? Kellie?
> > If he didn't trick us
> > with a wrong letter, then I am way off. <lol>
> >
> > Sue S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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