Christy, Yes, there is a way to prove that a book comes from Bookshare. Bookshare modifies each book before downloading it in order to be able to identify who downloads it. According to the language in the notice at the top of each book, each book contains digital watermarks and fingerprints to identify who downloads that copy of the book. A pirated book can be checked for these watermarks and fingerprints to determine who is pirating the book. Since Bookshare adds the watermarks and fingerprints to their books, a submission to another site would be identical to the same submission to Bookshare, but the downloaded books would be different. HTH Gerald From the notice at the top of each book This material contains digital watermarks and fingerprints designed to identify this material as a Bookshare.org digital material that was specifically downloaded by you. It is illegal to delete or modify these watermarks and fingerprints under the terms of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Bookshare.org has an active monitoring system in place to protect against this, which includes maintaining records of the identity of the persons downloading books and materials from the Web Site. We do so to protect this valuable exception in the copyright law that permits the Bookshare.org and similar services. Your Member Agreement expressly authorizes us to include these security devices, solely for this use, as an express exception to current and future privacy laws relating to protection of personal information data. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of christy Schulte Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:45 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: International issues and building the global library I don't think you're misinterpreting. Jim was pretty clear that we can't submit our scans that we send to bookshare anywhere that is illegal. However, my understanding is that it wasn't for ownership reasons, but rather so that anyone checking illegal services out won't find an exact copy of a book that is on bookshare. The problem is that there is no way to prove that the book on the illegal site wasn't gotten from bookshare itself, if the files are identical. I don't like it either, for the same reasons discussed here. I'm just clarifying, and like it or not, I do understand it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah J. Blake" <sarah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: International issues and building the global library Hi, Jim. Thanks for communicating with us about your work on the international issue. You said: << I hear these bogus excuses that we aren't working on it, that we don't care. >> In many cases these aren't intended to be bogus excuses. Most people probably are very unaware of what Bookshare's plans for the future are. Without being aware, it really can come across that nothing is being done. Many of those comments come to me from people who buy products that have Bookshare access bundled but find that they aren't eligible because they live in the wrong country. These people become naturally very resentful. I would, too: here was my hope built up of being able to access titles, and it's dashed to bits all because I live in the wrong country. I can understand the sentiment quite easily. I can also understand the confusion over what constitutes a "Bookshare book" and the issues surrounding limiting what people do with their scans. If another legitimate service popped up somewhere, would we be prevented from submitting our scans there? I have to admit that I'm a bit unsettled at this point by some of the implications of what I'm reading here. There seems to be an ownership of our scans implied beyond the issue of pirate sites. I am troubled by this concept. I can understand the concept of protecting a book that is Bookshare-downloaded in the same way that you wouldn't want a submission that comes from NLS. I do have a problem with the concept that we could not take the original scan and submit it, and I would appreciate having that clarified as well. Perhaps I am misreading because I have a tendency to interpret things too literally. I hope so. Sarah J. Blake sarah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.growingstrong.org To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. !DSPAM:13,4380eb0763901975121032! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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