[bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers

  • From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:31:05 -0400

Well, interesting that you should ask about that. While doing a little checking 
of that just tonight, I discovered that, although I had copied an ISBN with the 
hyphens included directly from a book, when I cursored over it to check it, 
Amazon had removed the hyphens. Not surprising really once I thought about it. 
It does try to figure out what you're searching for as you type, so it's 
logical that, once their computer realized that I was entering an ISBN, it 
removed the hyphens on its own..

Evan

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  From: Roger Loran Bailey 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:59 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers


  How about on other web sites? Like I said, I have been eliminating the 
hyphens for a long time now, but there was a reason I started doing that. That 
reason was that on at least some web sites they get in the way. I don't 
remember if Amazon was one, but it kind of seems like it was. Perhaps I am 
misremembering how Amazon handled the hyphens or perhaps they fixed the problem.

  On 3/19/2012 9:22 PM, Evan Reese wrote: 
    Because of our little bookstore, Lissi and I check ISBNs on Amazon a lot to 
find out how much a book is going for to see if it is worth listing. We always 
go directly to the Books department, and we always put in the number beginning 
with the 0 or 1. It also doesn't seem to matter whether the number includes 
hyphens or not. Sometimes I just copy the number directly from a book I've 
scanned, which often includes hyphens, and it doesn't seem to make any 
difference to the result. In every case that I've personally checked, and there 
have been a few dozen at least, only one result comes up. 

    Evan 

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Roger Loran Bailey 
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:28 PM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers


      I am not sure why you had to put the hyphens in unless Amazon has changed 
something about their search. I learned a long time ago that ISBN searches on 
most any site just work better without the hyphens. Of course, by now I have 
been routinely removing them for long enough that if anything has changed I 
wouldn't know about it.

      On 3/19/2012 6:18 PM, Cindy wrote: 
        Roger, Thank you very much. It worked perfectly, though I did have to 
put in the hyphens. Mike was right; The "cloth" is the hardcover and the 
"(paper)is paperback (I put in both ISBNs for fun; it's l like playinig with a 
new toy, though in this case learning about something new and enjoyng it so 
much I anted to do it again. grin


        Cindy
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          From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
          To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:25 AM
          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers




          Just type the ISBN into the Amazon search field without any hyphens 
that might be in it. I would suggest leaving the search parameters to all 
departments.

          When you use that combo box to select a search in the books 
department it tends to return various editions of the book you are looking for 
and you will

          have the same dilemma. If you search all departments you will get 
results that describe the exact edition that you typed in the ISBN for. There 
may actually

          be more than one result. I don't know why, but Amazon often has more 
than one page for a specific edition and all but one of them has a paucity of 
information

          about the form that the book is in. If you click on the title of the 
first one displayed, though, you will get the page that tells you most about 
the exact

          ISBN edition you typed in. You might also want to try typing in the 
ISBN in the search field at OpenLibrary.org. You can get a lot of metadata 
about the

          book there without a lot of clutter like customer reviews and 
recommendations and the such. I would not advise abandoning Amazon for Open 
Library though.

          Some of those entries at Open Library can be sparse too, but the good 
thing about Open Library is that when the entry is sparse you can fill in the 
missing

          information yourself if you have it.

          On 3/19/2012 6:03 AM, Cindy wrote:
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          Thnks, Mike I'll take Roger's advice and do that.  But I'm not sure 
how. Would I put my book into Amazon and see what ISBN number is used for it? 
(hopefully

          not both). Or do I just put the ISBN number in the books space and 
see what book it comes up with?
          Thanks to both you and Mike for you advice.

          Cindy
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          From: Mayrie ReNae
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          To:
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          Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:23 AM
          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers

          Hi Mike,

          You are so logical.  Thank you!  That makes total sense.  Forget what 
I said
          unless it works.

          Mayrie

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          On Behalf Of misha
          Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:09 PM
          To:
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          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers

          I like Roger's idea to do a search on Amazon and see how each is 
described.
          Actually, I think cloth refers to hardcover and paper refers to 
paperback.
          In the dimness of time the cardboard covers of hardcover books were 
coated
          with cloth to help them last longer (and before that it was leather).
          Paper, I think is short for paperback.  I've seen books with both 
ISBNs and
          haven't a clue why the publishers would do it that way.

          Misha

          On 3/18/2012 10:44 PM, Cindy wrote:
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          >    *From:* Roger Loran Bailey <
          rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>

          >    *To:*
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          >    *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:23 PM
          >    *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers
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          >    Do a search on Amazon for each ISBN and see how each are 
described.
          >
          >    On 3/18/2012 10:00 PM, Cindy wrote:
          >>    My print book has both numbers; unlike most books I've seen it
          >>    doesn't hardbound or library copy, but I guess the "paper" must
          >>    be the hardcover one, so that's the ISBN number I'll use when I
          >>    upload.
          >>    Thanks, Mayrie
          >>    Cindy
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          >>        *From:* Mayrie ReNae <
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          >>        *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:11 PM
          >>        *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: ISBNnumbers
          >>
          >>        HI Cindy,
          >>        When filling out the form on the Bookshare web site to 
upload
          >>        your book to the approval queue, you use the ISBN that
          >>        applies to the exact book that you are proofreading.  I
          >>        suspect that the ISBN that  you want is the one for the
          >>        hardcover, not the cloth.  First, how many people are likely
          >>        to be able to scan a clothbound book, which I assume are 
less
          >>        commonly found in libraries, but more likely, when two 
isbn's
          >>        are listed, it is most common that the second applies to the
          >>        edition in which the numbers both appear.
          >>        Does that make any sense?
          >>        In short, please use the hardcover ISBN, unless you have a
          >>        concrete reason to believe that the cloth edition is the one
          >>        that was scanned.
          >>        Which matches your print copy?  Does knowing that help you?
          >>        Mayrie
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          >>        *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] ISBNnumbers
          >>
          >>        Darn  my memory. If my book has 2 ISBN numbers, one for 
cloth
          >>        and one for paper (which I assume is the hard-cover book I
          >>        have) should I put  only the  one for the one I think I 
have?
          >>        Or should I just not put ISBN number, or should I do both? 
(A
          >>        Actually, I don't think  I've seen this before in the print
          >>        book I've used for proofing, so maybe it isn't my memory at 
fault
          >>        Cindy
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