[bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right now
- From: "solsticesinger" <solsticesinger@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:22:41 -0500
Perhaps so, but it doesn't make it any easier for the volunteers who do
exceptional work, only to have it discarded.
Solstice Singer
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle and Candice
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:13 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right
now
I think and i could be wrong that the publisher would be playcated because in
order to keep good relations bookshare must make consessions they may not
normally make. This meaning the publisher can say we own this material not you
so if you want our work you get our version. I could be wrong, but it seems
like this would be the way bookshare would have to respond?
----- Original Message -----
From: solsticesinger
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right
now
There may be a way of letting publishers know which books are already in
the collection, but, for some reason, bookshare staff seems either unwilling or
unable to do this. It may have something to do with not knowing which books the
publishers are going to donate, or it may have something to do with the strange
idea that a publisher quality scan is better than a book that has been scanned
and read by a volunteer. Whatever it has to do with, no one seems able to
change it. Instead, we're supposed to simply deal with the frustration, or, be
incredibly selective about what we scan. I don't know about the rest of you,
but I scan things I want to read. So, I don't really want to wait and see if a
publisher might add it one day. At the same time, I don't want to do a ton of
hard work, only to find that it's worthless because the publisher donated the
book.
It would seem that bookshare, as an organization, would have some way of
protecting the work of its volunteers. However, this does not seem to be the
case, and, as a volunteer who submits many books to the collection, I feel very
undervalued by this kind of treatment.
Solstice Singer
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chela Robles
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things
right now
But, there has got to be a way though to let the publishers know that
someone has already done the title where x marks the spot on the book, see? I
won't give up though.
--
"To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be
sophisticated, but when you get the two of them together in a way
people can relate to, then I think you're on to something. You want
the sophistication to lie in the purity of the sound, the beauty of
the arrangements, and the quality of the performances."-Trumpeter
Chris Botti
--
Chela Robles
AIM and E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
Skype: jazzytrumpet
WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
I Volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to find
out more go to: http://www.bookshare.org
--
On 7/27/2010 6:13 PM, solsticesinger wrote:
It doesn't seem to matter what we say, or how we object. We're just
told that it has to do with the contract that was signed with the publisher.
So, bringing this to anyone's attention seems a bit fruitless. It's a contract.
There's no way to get out of it right now. Everything takes time, and on and on
and on it goes.
Solstice Singer
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from 7-10 eastern, for The Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In
Music. Point your media player to:
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chela Robles
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things
right now
OK then, I'm just saying as a team we should approach whoever is in
charge of rejecting/putting less quality books about our hard effort which pays
for our memberships here, to the person directly, and will that person speak up
or forever hold their peace please? Thank you! Honestly, I've heard a lot of
what is going on here and I hope you all won't take my words offensively, I was
just trying to encourage you all not to go away is all ok, sorry for the harm
hopefully not done yet, I might as well think about stuff like leaving the two
lists here, and I hope my text goes through this time instead of a blank email.
I'm not at all offended just annoyed at the fact I try hard too, to keep you
all calm, but then again, I'm only one person like the rest of you.
I recently told someone I'd leave the lists for some reasons, but would be
willing to do behind-the-scenes work for Bookshare and if that is the case,
then I will think about bidding you all good-bye. Please let us just try to
convince whoever has been putting our hard efforts asside and placing them with
publisher poor quality books which would have to be redone anyway to the person
directly.
--
"To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be
sophisticated, but when you get the two of them together in a way
people can relate to, then I think you're on to something. You want
the sophistication to lie in the purity of the sound, the beauty of
the arrangements, and the quality of the performances."-Trumpeter
Chris Botti
--
Chela Robles
AIM and E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
Skype: jazzytrumpet
WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
I Volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to find
out more go to: http://www.bookshare.org
--
On 7/27/2010 5:45 PM, solsticesinger wrote:
Chela,
What exactly is it that we're supposed to do? Hopefully, not
continue to do good and valuable work, only to have it replaced by a publisher
copy that is very often of poorer quality. I think that's a lot to ask of
people.
Certainly, I think bookshare is a valuable organization, and I
enjoy scanning. In fact, many know that it's sort of a zen activity for me.
However, when I see my hard work, as well as the hard work of proofreaders,
discarded because publisher quality books come along, I am discouraged, and,
personally, I think that's a valid feeling. My time is too valuable to be
wasted like this.
In the past several hundred books, I found six of my scans had been
replace. I received no email notices about any of these replacements. If I
hadn't browsed the new books section, I never would have known. So, not only is
my time being wasted, but I'm not even being told that my scan has been
replaced? I find this quite discourteous, to be honest.
So, please define exactly what it is you think we should all do
together as a team. If it's productive, and doesn't cause me to waste my time,
I'm happy to do it, but, if it involves being content with the current state of
affairs, I can not and will not do so.
Solstice Singer
Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me, each Wednesday
evening from 7-10 eastern, for The Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women
In Music. Point your media player to:
http://mojoradio.us:9090
----- Original Message -----
From: Chela Robles
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about
things right now
I'm here to encourage not discourage, to urge not fade away,
come on guys you all can do it, I know you can, just takes more effort you dig?
I understand where you all who are complaining are coming from but we shouldn't
quit altogether. We're a team and we work together, so who is with me, I can't
hear you so shout it out loud!
--
"To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be
sophisticated, but when you get the two of them together in a way
people can relate to, then I think you're on to something. You want
the sophistication to lie in the purity of the sound, the beauty of
the arrangements, and the quality of the performances."-Trumpeter
Chris Botti
--
Chela Robles
AIM and E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
Skype: jazzytrumpet
WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
I Volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to find
out more go to: http://www.bookshare.org
--
On 7/27/2010 11:43 AM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:
Jamie, Susan and I don't particularly want to leave but
neither do we want our work wasted. I believe that is our right as volunteers.
If an organization is to utilize a pool of volunteers, it is their
responsibility and job to direct them to the tasks they wish them to do. I
have directed volunteer pools several times in my working life and I know this
to be the case.
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamie Prater
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:06 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] I don't know what to think about
things right now
Hi, all, I've been following the threads about PQ books
versus volunteer work. I've enjoyed volunteering for Christian fiction and
kids' stuff mostly and because of page numbering issues, I've backed off
considerably on what I volunteer for. Every day for the past several weeks has
been like Christmas looking at and downloading all the new books lately. I'm
very, very sad that this new influx of books is starting to run some top knotch
volunteers away because of publishers' issues. I see both sides of the coin on
these issues but wish all you fantastic volunteers would find a reason to stay
at bookshare. I like books from a Pentecostal Christian standpoint as far as
Christian/nonfiction goes, and I love all kinds of Christian fiction, classics,
and general fiction as well as kids' stuff. Some of the volunteers who've said
they are most likely leaving bookshare are ones who print some of these kinds
of books. I know there are so very many books out there in the world, and I do
wish we could all find a niche and grow bookshare and everybody can feel like
useful and contributing members of bookshare and society. I had no idea this
wonderful growth spurt for bookshare would run off volunteers and this is a
bittersweet pill to swallow and makes me feel very, very sad. Please folks
reconsider before quitting the wonderful job you're all doing on adding books
to the collection. Lori and Mike in particular, thanks to you, I've got some
Jentezen Franklin books I'd not otherwise have, and this makes me sad to see
you and others go. Thanks and have a blessed day.
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