[bksvol-discuss] Re: I am not happy.
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:27:59 -0700
Hi Caitlyn,
I actually don't mind any of what is being suggested. It all makes
good sense in most cases. What I object to is a practice that I know goes
on. There are some validators who download a book to validate it and upload
it without doing any work. I have seen this happen with submissions of
mine. I believe that in my case, some very lazy folks know that I
prevalidate my books and assume that there is no need for them to do
anything. Easy credit for them!
I want to make work easy for folks who validate my books. But I am
human and make mistakes. I want a validator to catch what I have missed.
That is ideal. But if I can see that no work has been done on the book, I
sure don't want to fix errors so that the person who did nothing can get
credit for the validation.
I'm not saying that anyone else should feel or act as I do. I know
that the grand majority of validators, especially those who subscribe to
this mailing list, do a stellar job! I personally, will refrain from fixing
errors that a validator could and should fix.
If the kinds of mistakes that you, and Sue, and E have mentioned are
the issue, it makes absolutely perfect sense to follow protocol. I love the
improved communication about books being worked on. I'm happy to fix errors
in my books if they need my fixing. I'm just not happy to do work so that
someone who has done absolutely nothing to validate a book gets credit for
that work.
Perhaps the kind of thing that I have experienced doesn't happen
often and I just had the experience twice out of co-incidence. I don't
know. It just got under my skin to know with a certainty that no work was
done on my books, that errors were left in them (junk characters to remove
in both cases) and the book was uploaded to the administration queue for
addition to the bookshare collection, and then I got a note to fix the books
(which I did) and then someone else who had changed ABSOLUTELY nothing from
my submission would get credit for it. Sorry about the seriously run-on
sentence. And sorry about the mini-rant.
Have I clarified my position?
I know that we do have a lot of very hard-working validators, and I
appreciate every single one of you!
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Caitlyn and Nicky
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 1:54 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I am not happy.
I can see your point in this, Mayrie. However, this recently happened to me
with a book. In my case, I know the validater sepnt several weeks fixing
things which I have no idea how they got messed up, corrected some
measurements which escaped my notice, etc. The book was returned for
further editing, there were only a few tiny little things, which I fixed and
then uploaded. Honestly, I thought the changes could've been made by the
validater, but it was no big deal for me to do it. I didn't think it was
fair for me to get credit for both submitting and validating the book, as
bookshare forbids us validating and submitting the same book. I wrote a
note to Carrie, and she fixed things up so the validater could get the
credit for all her work on the book, and I got credit for submitting it in
the first place...
What would you suggest should be done, seeing as we can't get credit for
both validation and submission of the same book? Just let it go back to
step one and hope another volunteer picks it up and fixes it??
Curiously,
Caitlyn
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:21 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] I am not happy.
Hi Everyone,
I'm going to paste here a section from the latest volunteer
newsletter with wich I am not very happy.
from now on books will be returned to the download list with a "Hold for
Validator or Submitter". Depending on the nature of the correction, and/or
who is best able to make the correction, either the submitter or the
validator will re-upload the book. If re-edits are uploaded by the
submitter, either the submitter or the validator should write to us
requesting that validation credits be transferred from the submitter to the
appropriate validator. We will make the transfer accordingly.
Uh, if a validator hasn't done a job complete enough for a book to
be included in the bookshare collection, and the submitter makes corrections
that a validator should have made, that validator should not get credit. The
validator should have contacted the submitter either directly or via
bookshare staff before uploading to fix things that need fixing. What's the
deal with giving people credit for work not done?
These are just my opinions, but as a submitter, I don't have any
intention of fixing errors in a book that I submit if the validator is going
to get credit for not having done the work.
Mayrie
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