[bksvol-discuss] Re: How to correct errors in books in the collection
- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:04:12 -0400
E,
The trouble with HTML, as Gerald mentioned, is that it is incapable of
retaining page breaks. The HTML standard has no capability of retaining this.
Page number problem is entirely different. As you know, during the stripping
process, the page numbers are removed in placed in the appropriate tags for
DAISY. But, since HTML does not have a page number tag either, it's difficult
to say that page numbers can be retained within the text. So, you may find
occasional examples where there are page numbers retained iwithin the text of
the book. In that case, however, you can be certain that the stripper did not
do such a great job of putting page numbers where they belong in the DAISY file
either.
Pratik
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:49 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: How to correct errors in books in the collection
Is somebody speaking to the makers of k1000 about this? Surely they
either know of the flaw or ought to know. I will go back and check
about the page number retension part. I thought mine retained both
numbers and pagebreaks.
Sometimes I am misstaken (sheepish grin)
E.
At 04:38 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>E,
>
>Your K1K must be smarter than mine. I'm not able to retain page
>breaks when going from HTML to RTF when using Kurzweil. I'll have
>to do more experimentation with more books, I suppose. Even if page
>breaks are retained, there is still the question of page numbers.
>
>Pratik
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:22 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: How to correct errors in books in the collection
>
>I do not mean that. I mean I am downloading a daisy format book and
>asking the unpack tool to create a html file. I then open the html
>file in k1000 (never in word or ie) and save as rtf.
>
>E.
>At 03:48 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
> >E,
> >
> >If you mean that you're downloading a DAISY file through a browser,
> >creating an HTML file when unpacking it with the Bookshare's Unpack utility,
> >and opening up the HTML file in K-1000 and converting to RTF, then I don't
> >see how the page breaks would be there since HTML doesn't support page
> >breaks.
> >
> >Are you sure you don't mean DAISY instead of HTML? If you are downloading
> >the DAISY file through K-1000 and converting to RTF, then I believe that
> >preserves the page breaks because K-1000 can find the page break info in
> >the NCX file, but drops the page numbers due to a diffence in how Bookshare
> >and KESI stores the page number info in that same file. BTW, downloading
> >the DAISY file through a browser, opening it up in K-1000 and converting to
> >RTF would give the same results since the only difference is how you
> >download the book.
> >
> >Gerald
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:17 PM
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: How to correct errors in books in the
> >collection
> >
> >Gerald, if I download a html file and save it to rtf in kurzweil, my
> >experience is that page breaks stay in. What am I missing?
> >I do this to read a book from the collection in rtf on my
> >brailllenote all the time and page breaks have stayed in.
> >
> >E.
> >
> >
> >At 01:18 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
> > >Page breaks. That's why HTML was dropped from the submission formats. It
> > >doesn't support them.
> > >
> > >HTH
> > >
> > >Gerald
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:12 PM
> > >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: How to correct errors in books in the
> > >collection
> > >
> > >Just out of curiosity, it I take a html file from
> > >bookshare, import it into k1000 and save as rtf
> > >which of the things mentioned in your message do I lose?
> > >
> > >E.
> > >At 01:06 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
> > > >Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > >Here's our summary of the process for correcting books with
> bad content -
> > > >the issue we were discussing on the list for the last couple of days.
> > > >
> > > >Bookshare.org is now requesting that books be rescanned if a volunteer
> > > >wishes to improve a book in the collection. Here's why:
> > > >
> > > >After reviewing the various options for converting books in the
> >collection
> > > >to one of the formats required for submission, it has been determined
> >that
> > > >unfortunately, there is no way to convert a book already in the
> >collection
> > > >to a submission format without an unnacceptable reduction in the
> >subsequent
> > > >quality of the books navigation.
> > > >
> > > >Depending on which option would be used, the resulting file will be
> >missing
> > > >page breaks or page numbers, and it may be missing formatting such as
> >bold,
> > > >italic, underlining or text size. Since the loss of quality could be as
> > > >much, if not more, than the quality gained by cleaning up the text,
> > > >Bookshare.org has decided that it is in the best interests of
> its members
> > >at
> > > >this time for books to be rescanned if a volunteer wishes to improve the
> > > >quality of a book.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks, Lisa and the Bookshare.org team
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