[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors

  • From: "Julia" <julia.kulak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:43:34 -0500

Hmmm, I always thought that I'd send up a book and someone would do a good job proofreading it. Maybe I should start reading through the books I submit just in case. I'd hate to be responsible for putting shawdy books into the collection. 

Julia
----- Original Message ----- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
Ah, but sue, I never do that. As I said, the only time I put up a book without reading through it is when it is being held for someone who actually will.
But even books I've read through still have some errors in them, since I'm not a professional proofreader and sometimes I get involved in the book and I overlook some things. That's not as much of an issue for me, since I don't worry quite so much about anything major being wrong with those. But when I send a book up without a hold for, I assume that it will get the minimum treatment. It's the only safe assumption. I'm as careful as I can be with those. 

Evan
----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:54 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
<lol> Well, Evan, since I know you have a sense of humor, if you put it up 
there without reading through it, then YOU are a careless slob.  <just
joking>

Sue S.
----- Original Message ----- From: <talmage@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors


Then maybe you should read through it.

Dave, a careless slob.

At 08:53 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote:

If I scan a book without reading through it, for whatever reason,
and I put it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure that
it goes to someone such as yourself rather than someone who is, in
fact, a careless slob. Please answer that question for me if you can.

Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get books held
for me by those people instead of them being just sent up and passed
on, apparently,  without a glance at the text.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors



Gee, thanks a lot.  I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold
fors are just a bunch of careless slobs?  NOT!!!
It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold for, 
and on books I would really be interested in working on, too.  But it
appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us
are just not worthy.

I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a
while.  If not 4 weeks, then how about 8?  I'm sure it would be too
difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly tempted 
to just take the darned thing.  I've seen books sitting on the queue for
quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof
them.  But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books.
Tracy
The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held is 
a
good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I
found out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'm expecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for it to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted. 
I
only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I had 
a Hold for up there.

In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of
ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed through 
to the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through
something
I submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their read 
through of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not
choose
to read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least one 
read through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to
order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the
proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes.

I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to
actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books up there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting a 
book and hoping for the best.

So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind
of
quality assurance.
But there definitely needs to be good communication between the submitter 
and the proofreader to make things work efficiently.

Evan

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Monica Willyard
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors


  Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the
hold
for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold
fors, and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and
is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with
fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and
I'm beginning to think we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean
that any specific person is doing this. I think it's more of a group
drift. I was startled Sunday night when I discovered that the entire
first page of books were hold fors when I went to look at books. I have
mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book on that page that
wasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2 didn't have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a project 
or is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognized
some of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with her 
holds. After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books
being held for them, and three of them didn't even know someone had
posted books for them.



  I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one
that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people to
take a couple of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for you 
and you find that you can't handle it, just post to the list. We
understand that life happens and would rather get the book proofread
than have you tied up in knots because you can't do it. If you are
someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you to consider
doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for someone,
please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the book 
is available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs
like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments.
That way, if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time,
Carrie could remove the hold with your permission and let another
qualified volunteer work on it. These things would keep communication
flowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough to help us get back on 
track with each other. What do you think?





  Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker 


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  From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold fors
Hi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged. 
There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling that
only the ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people who 
have 10 and 12 books waiting for them.



  I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there
for
a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the
hold should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular
one. <smile>



  Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there.



  Mickey





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