[bksvol-discuss] Re: Fwd: Latin books

  • From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:23:58 -0400

Carrie,
 
Sorry, should've mentioned that the recognition time is dramatically
increased by adding more simultaneous languages.  Pratik
 
 
 

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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carrie Karnos
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:00 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fwd: Latin books


Hi Pratik,
 
I skipped the download and restart steps of your process, but otherwise did
just as you suggested, when I was at the office on Monday.  If only English
had been selected, it should have taken about 30 minutes to OCR the 500
pages of the 2 Latin books, but the OCR program was still running when I had
to leave 3 hours later, after selecting both languages.  OCRing with
multiple languages really slows the program down dramatically.  I'll see how
it turned out when I go in this morning.  I'm going to send the Latin books
to Lena when I'm all done, so if there's a problem, maybe a sighted person
can figure out what's wrong.
 
Thanks for your suggestions and help!  Carrie

Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello all,
 
I'm a bit late on this thread, but FYI FineReader does permit  the selection
of multiple simultaneous languages for recognition.  I should have
specified.  Current OCR technology is based on multiple algorithms.  Not
only do OCR programs attempt to recognize the available texts from scans,
but language selection as well.  Language characteristics are often
important in OCR and a good OCR program will use those to define accuracy.
Latin's grammatical structure can be quite useful.  In fact, I would guess
that Latinis easier to OCR than ENglish is.  The other reason why I suggest
that you choose Latin as one of your languages is that Latin's vowels often
contain Macrons--a hyphin-like character located above a particular vowel
defined by certain rules.  These are abs olutely essential in grammar,
pronunciation, and Latin reading.  A student looking at a grammar book
should not miss this important aspect.  If a student will be using this book
in a classroom, I would also recommend that his/her school request an
electronic copy of the text from the publisher as well.
 
 
In FineReader 7, do the following to choose multiple languagess.
 
1. Go to Tools/Options
2.  Choose the "recognition" tab
3. In the language combo box, choose "download more languages."
4.  In the resulting list, scroll to the bottom of the list and check the
"all other languages" option
5.  Tab or click on the download button.  (be sure you have an active
internet connection.
6. Once download is complete, you will be asked to close and restart
FineReader.
7. Once FineReader is restarted, go back to tools/options/recognition.
8. Choose the "edit languages" button
9. You will find multiple languages listed in a tree view.  Check the
languages that you are most likely to use.  
10.  Be sure to check the box that says "show languages in the list."
11.  In the language selection box, scroll up to the option to "choose
multiple languages."
12. in the resulting list, check the languages you wish to use for the
current session  (English and Latin).
13. Choose Ok.
14. In the language selection list you will see english and Latin both
listed.  Choose close.
 
I hope this helps. I'm happy to answer any other questions.
 
Pratik

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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carrie Karnos
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:27 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fwd: Latin books


If I leave the language as English, every Latin word will be flagged as
misspelled, even though it's not.  Of course, if I choose Latin, every
English word will be flagged as misspelled.  Can't win!  I wish there was
some way to say, there are 2 languages in this book, check that the word is
in one language or the other before you flag it as misspelled.  I assume
that ABBYY is not that sophisticated yet.... or is it?  Someone please tell
me that that option already exists. :-)
 
I'll email you, Pratik, when the book is in the download queue, so you can
validate it.
 
Thanks!  Carrie

Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On behalf of Lena, and myself, thank you, Pratik.

I'm curious, though--when I took first and second-year
Latin in high school, the letters, i.e., fonts, were
like English letters, unlike the non-romance languages
I''ve seen. It was as easy to read the Latin (not
translate, of course, until I'd learned) as the
English. Why would Carrie have to change the
recognition language on the scanner? Just curious.

Cindy


-- Pratik Patel wrote:

> Hello all!
> 
> I'll be happy to validate this little grammar text. 
> Carrie, you will have to choose Latin as your
> recognition language with FineReader when you OCR
> this text. Please let me know when the text is up.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Pratik
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cindy"
> Sent: 9/23/05 3:04:34 AM
> To:
>
"bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fwd: Latin books
> 
> Thanks, Carrie. Yes, breaking the spine and feeding
> in
> the pages is o.k. I told Lena to send the book to
> you
> at Benetech. Your address is a bit more detailed
> than
> the one that Geald gave me, so I'll send that to
> her.
> 
> Like Gerald, I'm not sure who would validate it.
> Hopefully Guido or Pratik, at least one of whom, if
> not both, are linguists. Perhaps after it's scanned,
> 
> if one of them is willing you could send the pages
> to
> them. If neither is, I mght give it a try. It would
> be
> a good review for me--after 56 years.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> --- Carrie Karnos wrote:
> 
> &a mp;g t; Bookshare.org
> > The Benetech Initiative
> > 480 California Avenue
> > Suite 201
> > Palo Alto, CA 94306-1609 
> > 
> > (It's under the 'Contact Us' section at the bottom
> > on the right side of the home screen.)
> > 
> > I can certainly scan any books sent to Bookshare,
> > but please remember that I will de-spine the book,
> > basically killing it. Is that okay???
> > 
> > Carrie
> > 
> > Cindy wrote:
> > Hi, All,
> > 
> > I'm forwarding our fellow booksharian's note about
> > the
> > Latin book. 
> > 
> > Apparently she can obtain that one and is willing
> to
> > send it to be scanned, as you can see. Carrie, I'm
> > suggesting she send it to you at benetech, but I
> > couldn't find the address at the site, either at
> the
> > volunteer page or the home page, following several
> > of
> > the threads, and I've never noted the address when
> > it's been posted here, since I never thought to
> use
> > it. I'd appreciate it if someone would post it
> > again.
> > I guess this time I'd better note it in case I'm
> > ever
> > asked for it again.
> > 
> > Cindy
> > 
> > > Here's the Latin grammar I'd like, although I'd
> be
> > > happy with anything.
> > > 
> > > Wheelock's Latin
> > > 
> > > Frederic M. Wheelock,
> > > Richard A. LaFleur
> > > 
> > > ISBN: 0060783710 (paperback).
> > > 
> > > I'm willing to supply the book and take it apart
> > if
> > > a document feeder is used.
> > > 
> > >
> > ; ; 
> > 
> > 
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