[bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start somewhere

  • From: "Julie Morales" <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:40:49 -0700

If you're correcting a book that's already in the collection, you wouldn't 
need access to the Downloads page, so you could just make your corrections 
and submit it as a regular submission, making sure you note in the comments 
field that it is a perfected copy of one already on the site so it doesn't 
get rejected. I guess I said all that just to say that no, you wouldn't need 
permission to do what you're trying to do. You do need to register as a 
volunteer if you want to download things from the Step 1 Download page that 
volunteers get, but you don't need to register as a volunteer, I don't 
believe, to submit books, and that's basically what you're doing. DAISY is 
the other format Bookshare uses, and you can download the DAISY reader, 
which is free, from the site, but for your purposes, you wouldn't need it. 
Download and unpack the DAISY file. I think...God, it's been ages since I 
did this!...but I think it asks if you want to keep an HTML file when you 
unpack the book. Say yes and you'll have it. Even if you say no, though, you 
can just rename the .xml extension to an HTML extension, because they're the 
same formats, I do believe. I have a feeling I might be thoroughly confusing 
you...I'm starting to confuse myself!...so I think I might stop here and let 
you ask any other questions if I'm being as clear as mud. *smile* Take care.
Julie Morales
Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email):
Skype: mercy0421
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start 

Dear Julie, Jake and everyone,

Thank you for your answers. Please stay with me as I sort this out.

It occurred to me that a way of seeing the whole picture for myself, would
be to download  the print version of, "Harvest," and compare the errors I'm
finding in braille with what Jaws reads from the print. I've been writing
the page numbers where I find an error, copying the error and writing what I
believe is meant to be written on my brailler, so it would be fairly quick
for me to scroll through the print to make the comparisons.

If the corrections are obvious, do I need a print copy of the book to prove
with a scan that my corrections match the text?

Does rtf mean written file?

When I find a book I want to read, it gives me a choice of rtf or brf,
right?  I'm not sure what you mean when you say to download with daisy. Did
I get daisy when I joined Book Share? Do I need permission to validate?
I'm not asking because of compensation. I wouldn't expect credit for making
these minor corrections. I'm trying to establish if I can correct any book
which I think I can improve or need to follow a process. I've found about
forty details I could repair in the first half of Harvest.

Always turning pages, and asking questions,


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie Morales" <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start

> Yes, the print copy would have the same errors. It can be corrected. I
> can't
> remember who said it, but as was already written, you'd have to download
> the
> DAISY file, open the HTML version and convert that to RTF. Then, it can be
> treated as any other validation and submitted as an RTF to replace the
> entire book, so the print and braille files would be corrected. There are
> times when there are translation errors, and only correcting the braille
> file is sufficient, because the braille file would be the only file
> replaced, but it sounds like these are scanning errors, and if you were
> wanting to correct the whole thing, that's what would have to be done.
> Take
> care.
> Julie Morales
> inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email):
> mercy0421@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Skype: mercy0421
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:58 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
> somewhere
> Dear Julie and everyone,
> Julie, your explanation of the errors I'm finding sounds logical. For
> pinya
> Colata, my copy said  pifia colata. If that reflects a scanning error,
> wouldn't it be the same error in print? All through the book the name
> O'Day
> is written O"Day.  Is there a way to make the corrections so both print
> and
> braille would be corrected. Harvest is an entertaining novel, but I won't
> save it. For my own reading, in this case, I'm content to gloss over the
> mistakes, but I thought correcting them would make the book nicer for the
> next readers.
> I keep asking because I still don't understand whether braille is
> corrected
> differently from print or audio, or if corrections to one could fix the
> others, too.
> Please tell me more. I'd like to understand the system better.  It seems
> many computer users are almost intuitive about understanding patterns and
> commands. I need the obvious to be explained, but I can learn this stuff
> and
> know I'll be contributing.
> I've followed Rose's problems with sympathy. In learning what I know so
> far
> I have noticed that things can go so wrong and resist being fixed and,
> then,
> some simple little thing or key stroke can almost magically make
> everything
> fall in to place and it works.
> Rose, was that medical book your first scanning project for Book Share? It
> sounds so huge and difficult for even the most experienced volunteer.
> This might not be your approach, but when I make my first attempt, I will
> find a short, children's chapter book with few pictures and
> embellishments.
> Then, I won't invest  much time or have to deal with a big file for my
> first
> effort. As a former teacher, I still have lots of books like the one I
> described.
> If anyone would like me to send them a, "starter book," I'd be happy to. I
> have 2 copies of some books so if you had an established Book Share
> volunteer to help, they could use the second copy. Unless I specify
> otherwise,  the books I send are free, I pay the postage and you do
> whatever
> you like with the book when you finish with it because I won't want it
> back.
> Always With Love,
> Lissi
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie Morales" <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:22 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
> somewhere
>> You can correct the braille copy, but these sound like scanning errors,
>> not
>> just with the braille file. The dots 2,3,5, I believe you said is what
>> happened, is also the exclamation mark, and that is a scanner error, so
>> it
>> wouldn't be just the braille file affected by this. What I do with files
>> like this is just correct as I go for my own purposes and keep the
>> corrected
>> file for myself. Take care.
>> Julie Morales
>> inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email):
>> mercy0421@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: mercy0421
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:32 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Fw: [bookshare-discuss] hoping to start
>> somewhere
>> Hello Everyone, especially volunteers who use the Braille note with
>> refreshable braille to read  book share books in brf format.
>> I sent  this post to the book share discuss group and now realize I
>> should
>> have sent it to you, the volunteers. I'm sorry for sending it to both
>> lists,
>> but maybe it just doubles my chances of getting the advice I need. Below
>> is
>> the post, with a few alterations, I sent to the discuss list.
>> - - - - -
>> I've listened to jaws read 3 novels from Book Share and if there were
>> errors, I didn't notice them. After some fizzles and good advice, I've
>> moved
>> a brf file to my Braille Note. I'm on page 157 of Tess Gerritsen's,
>> "Harvest." It was rated  excellent, and  I've had a wonderful time
>> reading
>> it.
>> Now comes my question. I'm not disputing the rating and I'm not
>> criticizing.
>> I feel so lucky to be reading this book in braille. I agree the volunteer
>> did an excellent job with all of the tasks  needed to prepare it for us.
>> Occasionally I am noticing small errors. For example, the word, I,  at
>> the
>> beginning of a quoted phraise, like "I am happy," always appears as dots
>> 2
>> 3
>> and 5, which translates as the contraction for the word, "to." Other
>> little
>> things pop up like missing spaces between words, a word spelled out which
>> should be contracted or simple typos as in a word with one cell of random
>> dots. In one instance the word, what, is written  r h a t, the
>> contraction
>> for wh  doesn't appear and xx is written between the opening quotation
>> mark
>> and the capital sign for the first word. None of these mistakes has made
>> it
>> difficult to understand the story, nor have they posed any problems.
>> It would be so easy for me to correct these errors since I'm reading the
>> book any way. Is there a way of incorporating small corrections in a book
>> without starting the process from the beginning and without taking it off
>> the list of available books?
>> This proof reading comes naturally. It's so easy for me and could tidy up
>> the braille for the next readers.
>> I haven't done anything official as a volunteer yet. I'm confused by
>> computers, but with patience can be taught and perform operations I've
>> learned with consistant success.
>> Just wondering if I could or should fine tune this excellent book or
>> others
>> like it. If the answer is, yes, then I need to learn how to do it.
>> Always With Love,
>> Lissi

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