My own opinion, which is likely worth precisely what yall paid for it, is that sending html emails to friends is ok, but plain text is the courteous thing to do w/lists. The bottom line is still u can't get a virus from a plain text email. On 12/5/09, Lynn I <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Judy! > > Thank you so much for your great explanation. I think the default on most > e-mail programs is html, but it was easy for me to change that to plain > text. > > Thanks again for explaining. *smile* > > Blessings. > > Lynnsky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:14 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails plust question > about plain text e-mails. > > Hey Lynn, Jackie already answered, with how to use the angle brackets to > handle a link. (thanks, Jackie! smile). > > As to the advantages/disadvantages of plain text vs html encoded > emails: I'm thinking, from my own experiences, that sending messages in html > is something that mostly benefits sighted people. An html-encoded email > lets you embed images and fonting right inside the email, just like you're > looking at a webpage. > > One huge disadvantage to emails sent in html is that it makes it super easy > to hide phishing and virus links in the coding that lies underneath the > links that actually display to the sighted viewer in the email. You also end > up with the kind of stuff Roger is battling right now, where a setting gets > changed that makes your emails bizarre and unreadable. If you don't know > html and how to fix your email software's settings, even as a sighted person > it can drive you crazy trying to get it fixed. > > Personally, I prefer sending email out in plain text, even though to other > sighted individuals they aren't as "pretty." It makes it safer for the > recipient, and I don't have to fuss with things. > The only time I'll send friends an email that is html encoded is if I want > to send them, for example, a series of images that go in a specific order > with specific captions. > > Judy s. > Lynn I wrote: >> Roger! >> >> Are you using Word to compose messages in your e-mail program, or , is >> your font color set to black? I know there is a font color button in >> Word. I don't remember seeing one in Outlook Express or Outlook. All >> that being said, it doesn't mean that's the problem--just a thought. >> >> Judy! >> >> If you send e-mail in plain text and it contains a link, can the link >> be copied or retrieved in the same way as if the message were sent in >> HTML format? Goes to show you how very little I know about computers. >> I'm just wondering what the major disadvantage is to sending most >> e-mail in plain text. >> >> Blessings. >> >> Lynnsky >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:09 PM >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails >> >> Nope, it didn't help. It's still coming through as black font against >> black background. >> >> Try Jackie's suggestion, maybe, of changing your email so it goes >> out as plain text? >> >> Judy s. >> >> Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote: >>> AOL 8.0. And by the way, the time period Judy mentioned for this >>> change in my emails about coincided with the last time I changed the >>> quote in my signature, so I just now fiddled around with that again. >>> Did >> that help? >>> "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion > >>> in it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson] John Adams >>> >>> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder >> Press: >>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com >>> Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html >>> _ >>> >>> table with 2 columns and 6 rows >>> Subj: >>> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails >>> Date: >>> 12/5/2009 6:08:06 PM Eastern Standard Time >>> From: >>> cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx >>> Reply-to: >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> To: >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sent from the Internet >>> (Details) >>> table end >>> >>> What client are you using? Perhaps my buddy who helped me can help >>> you?----------------"If you go without playing the trumpet for one >>> day, no one knows, two days, only you know, and more than three days >>> without practicing, girl you better look out, because everyone will >>> know!" Today, I find myself constantly saying those words, just to >>> get myself going, to not give up, and it works. >>> Since I learned to play the trumpet at the tender age of 10, I have >>> spent so much passion and much diligence with that instrument that I >>> will not give up on it. Sometimes my instrument puts me into awkward >>> situations where I feel like they won't ever end, but the trumpet >>> gives me a lot of hope with the majestic, crystal-clear sound it >>> brings to my ears.----------------Chela >>> RoblesE-Mail: >>> >>> cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx >>> MSNWindowsLive Messenger: >>> cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> Skype: jazzytrumpet----- Original Message ----- From: >>> Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx >>> To: >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:09 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: >>> Funky change in Roger's emailsI was unaware of that. Does anyone know >>> how I can fix it?"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if >>> there were no religion in it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson] >>> John Adams >> The >>> Militant: >>> http://www.themilitant.com >>> Pathfinder Press: >>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com >>> Granma International: >>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html >>> _table with 2 columns and 6 rowsSubj:[bksvol-discuss] >>> Funky change in Roger's emails Date:12/5/2009 3:53:18 PM Eastern >>> Standard Time From:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Reply-to:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To:bksvol-d >>> iscuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details)table endHey >>> Roger,You've got some funky html coding that's been going on for two >>> or three days in your emails coming to the list. It makes the >>> background blackand the font black, except for your .sig file. So for >>> what it's worth, they're unreadable by a sighted person like myself. >>> The only way I can read themis to look at them is by resetting your >>> messages into "text" messages.I'm using Thunderbird to read email, >>> and I don't know if any of the other sightedvolunteers are >>> experiencing this with your emailsJudy s.Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx >>> wrote:> That may be the case for you, but for us who do not have >>> access tonor the > skill to use an optacon it does not apply.> > > >>> "This would be the best of all >> possible worlds, if there were no >>> religion > in it." [ in a letterto Thomas Jefferson] John Adams > > >> >>> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder >>> Press: > http://www.pathfinderpress.com> >>> GranmaInternational: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html> >> >>> _> > table with 2 columns and 6 rows> Subj:> [bksvol-discuss] Re: >>> For Gwen andRobert > Date:> 12/5/2009 2:47:53 AM Eastern Standard >>> Time > From:> the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to:> >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To:> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent from the Internet > (Details)> table end> > Hi Roger!I have been >>> thinking about this subject.In a way, I think that > scanning is >>> easier, because,when I am doing step one of proofreading, I have > >>> the> hard copy in front of me that I can check with the optacon when >>> there is a > scano I am unsureof. >>> When >>> I am proofreading others submissions, I don't > have> the hard copy, >>> so I can only figure out scanos that are obvious or some > from >>> context,feeling a bit unsure at times.DebbyAt 10:55 PM 11/30/2009, > >>> rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> >>> wrote>As a matter of fact, I think proofreading is easier than >>> wrote>scanning.> >>> Unless >>>> you are submitting a raw scan it is proofreading with extra work. >> >>> Nevertheless> Kim, I would urge you to take the plunge and try some >>> scanningtoo. >>> The > more you learn about scannning the more you learn about >using >>> a computer in > general.>>>> "I have no country to fight for; my >>> country is theearth, >>> and I am a >> citizen of the world." Eugene V. Debs>> The >>> Militant: > <> >>> http://wwww.themilitant.com>http://www.themilitant.com> >>> PathfinderPress: >>>> <http://www.pathfinderpress.com>> >>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com>Granma >>> International: ><http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html>> >>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html>> >>> _>>table with 2 columns and 6 rows>Subj:>[bksvol-discuss] >>> Re: > For Gwen and Robert>Date:>11/30/2009 10:37:56 PM Eastern >>> Standard Time>From:> >>>> kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>Reply-to:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:>> >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent> from the Internet>(Details)>table >>> end>> My goodnessGwen, you have nothing > to fear when it comes to >>> proofreading > should you decide to do it. One thing> I can tell you >>> is that there are >many ways> to doit. I have a BrailleNote > mPower >>> and I use it as a Braille display > while I read a book from the > >>> beginning> to the end. I listen to my screen >>> reader>readthe text while I follow along > with my fingers using the >> BrailleNote. >>>> I'd call it kind of like a feedback> or redundancy thing. Have you >>>> seen >>> those>floursifters with double or > triple screens in them? Think of >>> those>what I do >>> as >if I were sifting flour because > what> the ears hear the fingers >>> check. I have>tomake sure that everything is all > present and >>> accounted for, title, >>>> author bylines, copyright dates, ISbn > numbers,>publishers,> etc. >>>> After >>> the prefatorymaterial I read every word of the >book. Now I'm > >>> taking in the story (if I'm reading fiction), I'm checking >to see >>> if>there > >>> are> any errors in thescan you might have missed. If I find any, I >>>> use the > delete key so I only get rid of stuff that is extraneous >>>> to >>> the text.>I'd write> you and let youknow what I'm doing. If I come >>> across a bit of >something > in the text I'm not sure about, I'd >>> email you and ask you about it,>pasting > the> bit of textI'm having >>> trouble with in the email to you. You'd >send me the >>>> copy of what the text should be, and I make sure it's in the >>>> file>I'm >>> working> with.One thing I heard right from the start was to have a >>> working> >copy of >>> the >>>> file that isn't touched in case I mess up the one I'm working >>>> with.>I'm >>> still > in>the beginning stages of this thing. I don't do anything >>fancy. >> >>> Eventually >>>> I expect to learn the art of this. What I want to know >is if >>>> the>text >>> makes>sense. I don't heed the word processing program should it have >>> makes>>grammar >>>> suggestions for me. If I come across a weird spelling of a word or >>>>> name,> >>> I'd> want> to know how many times it's in the text. I'd probably >>> write you >>>> to verify > that the word and the way it's spelled is supposed to be >>>> in >>> the text.>My> philosophy> is to do just enough and err on the side of >> caution. >>> Some >people may not > use Braille at all when proofreading while >>> others do. I'm still>learningthe> ropes, but so far what I've done is >>> in the Bookshare >>>> collection so I must > be doing something right or at least I hope >>>> this is so. Nobody will>twist> your> arm and you can proofread >>>> anything that >>> interests >>> you. So far >everything > has interested me. The very first thing I >>> did was a children's book,>butthe> others I've done are fiction books >>> for >> grownups. >>> Regards, Kim.>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> ---->>From:>bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>> On Behalf Of gwen tweedy>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:56 PM>To:> >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Gwen >>> and > Robert>> I too assumed that those books would go very fast >>> simply from thingsI>> have read here from time to time.>I think they >>> are getting lost in the > admin cue now that would be up to him >to >>> correct me if I am wrong.>And yesfor> me, if I were a proof reader, >>> except for some of the books >he's helped me > with, I wouldn't read >>> them either I just can't read those >kinds of>books.>>As> for my >>> books, I've learned a lot, I feel that even as much as recently >I > >>> have gotten better, but as for myself, I am keenly aware that my >>> booksmight>> be> as fast on the uptake because of my past reputation >>> as a new scanner.>So I >>>> understand that, and can now deal with that.>If I find that Iam not >>> making> it I promise you, I'll be the first to >leave volunteering >>> making> altogether, > >>> because I do not need nor want to be in >the way of>good >>> readingmaterial >>> here> bookshare is so famous for.>I promise you, I would not want >>> here> anyone >>> putting >>>> up junk from me that would >not be fair to y'all.>Some thingsyou can >>> learn,> some things a person can't and if I fail to get >it, then I'm >>> out of here >>>> lock stock and barrel.>Most here scan and proof excellently,and I >>>> would >>> no > more > tarnish >that reputation for this whole world.>It was my >>> hope when I > first put my name up to be a volunteer to put up >>>> moreof the Christian type of> books, if not Christian wholesome >>>> books those my>grandma would care to > read.>But that wholly has >>>> not >>> happened, from a numberof factors of my own >> making> the buck >>> stops here as it were.>If I fail to meet this my personal goal, > >>> that at that time, which could be >today, tomorrow,or perhaps never >>> then I > >>> would> bow out and leave it to those>who know best.>I wish I could >>> proof books, > but I've bungled scans lord knows what I'ddo > to a >>> proof.>Plus there are so > many> rules to proofing my lands I >>> couldn't keep up with >them all, that is to > hard for me simple >>> mind LOL.>I mostlikely should have just stuck to reading> > it would >>> have been a lot >less trouble for us all.>You have a wonderful > >>> day,>Gwen>>block >>> quote>----- OriginalMessage ----->From:>Monica Willyard>To:>> >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:> >>> Monday, >>> November 30, 2009 3:26 PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] For Gwen and> >>> Robert> Gwen, you're right. Robert is an experienced and valuable >>> member of our>> community. >>> Robert, how many books do you have that are waiting to be>> approved? >>> Are> they on step 1 or in the admin queue?>>Gwen, there are several > >>> factors> in play regarding Robert's books. I don't >know if you're >>> awareof all of > these, so I thought I'd share them. Some of them>can >>> probably be addressed by> people on this list. Others can't.>>On the >>> staff side, Carriewas on > vacation for a week before Thanksgiving. >>>> Also, most of the staff had some time > >>> off> last week for the holiday. I >have found>that she >>> off> generallyapproves >>> books > from volunteers within 24 to 48 hours of >their entry into >>> the admin queue.> Carrie used to be a volunteer just like us,>and she >>> remembersthe > frustration of waiting and waiting for a book to be >>>> approved. She has worked with > >>> Robert> as a fellow volunteer as well and knows>of his skillsand >>> Robert> flexible > >>> attitude.>> From here, it looks like the bottleneck right now is in >>> getting books >> proofread. The number of books on step 1 is pilingup >>> again. Our number > > of active>volunteers and their preferences for >>> reading determine how fast a > book> is >processed. This factor >>> affects everyonewho submits books. For awhile > everyone>was worried >>> about not having any books to work on. >>> Some >>> people quit>> looking for new books on step 1 becauseof all of the >>> books with holds on >> them. Now>there are a lot of excellent books >>> needing a proofreader.>>The >>>> other> factor, on a more personal level,is hard for me to explain. > >>> Robert is a > consistent and dedicated volunteer. I respect him for >>> his > >>> dedication>and >>>> teamwork.> Yet I am hesitant to takehis books for a personal reason. >>>>> In >>> the past, > Robert has been willing to scan some adult-rated content >>> for > Bookshare.>It's> my perception that muchof what he scans would >>> be classified as >steamy > romances. I prefer not to read the >>> steamier books. This isn't about >Robert>or> >>> >>> his skills as a submitter.It's about me and what I want to read. I >> >>> generally don't like to draw attention to this issue since I think >>> it's a >> >>> personal> >>> one>on my part. SinceI feel uncomfortable asking Robert which books >>> one>are >> >>> adult, I let others take his books when he submits. I figured it >>> would >>>> make> >>> him angry>if I askedabout it. If I am wrong about what Robert >>> submits, I > apologize >and take full responsibility for not checking >>> out my assumptions >>>> with> him.>>I thinkwhat I'm saying is that we might do a better job >>>> with> of > >>> communicating >with each other. I know I need to do that. I didn't >>> know that Robert's>> books weren't>gettingadded to the collection. I >>> also assumed that most > people are more >comfortable with adult >>> content than I am and that those would> be done quickly.>Icould be >>> wrong on both counts.>>The last thing I want is > for you or Robert >>> to feel ignored or >unappreciated. I don't have an > immediate> >>> solution.I think we could find >ways to work this>out together, with >>> the > help of the Bookshare community. It would help us >fix the >>> problem if we know> exactlywhat's going on, if the books are on step >>> 1,> or are they getting > lost in the admin queue.>>Monica >>> Willyard>"The best way to predict the future> is tocreate it." -- >>> Peter Drucker>>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> ---->At 10:32 AM >>> 11/30/2009, you wrote:>> block>quote>I think a timely manner is the >>> key.> And those who have scanned for > years and their books are >>> good, and >everyone knows they are good, to me there>shouldn't be a >>> delay.>Some books get up there right away, so what is the > >>> difference in books?> Especially those of like Robert's when his >>> books >>> have>been tried and > true for a long time.> Eventually volunteers >>> are gonna > quit submitting books, because they > aren't getting >>> anywhere. Some books> stay> up there for a long time.>It's grand >>> for kids books grand for grants, but > I think they are >forgetting the >> >>> submitters >>> especially those hardworking> ones like Bob >who turns in>a quality >>> scan each and every time not like his > wife who turns no quality >>>> scans LOL.>I understand me, but Bob thatis > different.>His> should >>> go right away.>Gwen>>----- Original Message ----->From:>robert > >>> tweedy>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: >>> Monday, November30, 2009 11:58 AM>> Subject:> [bksvol-discuss] Re: >>> What is the main concern these days?>>That's fine as > long as our >>> books get into the system on a timeymatter.>----- Original > Message> >>> ----->From:>Denise >>> Thompson>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Tuesday, > December >>> Thompson>01, 2009 2:50 >>> PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss]Re: What is the main > concern> these >>> PM>days?>>I >>> think BKS's concern is to do books that fit their grant > money. > >>> educational which seems to be most booksfor kids and teens in >>> addition> to >text books,> of course. Adult books don't seem to be >>> educational- > especially those that >>>> have some romance in them.Since they have out-sourcers and> do their >>>> grant >>>> books>with them as well as in house, I feel like I need to > >>>> books>continue to >>> scan >>>> adult books for the restof us who aren't students and who> don't >>>> want to > >>> read kids>books and teen books.>Denise>> At 09:32 AM > 11/30/2009, you >>> wrote:>block >>> quote>I've noticeda strong emphasis on children's > books> as well. >>> quote>This is >>>> wonderful, so long as it isn't at the expense of books > for us >>>> adults, >>> too.>>Melissa>>roberttweedy >>> wrote:>block quote>I am just > wondering> about bookshare policy of >>> submitted books. Taking a >look at the cue, it > looks like >>> children's bookswhich is okay but what >about books>that are just> >>> for pleasure.>block quote end>To unsubscribe from this list send a >>> blank > Email to> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>putthe >>> word 'unsubscribe' by > itself> in the subject line. 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