[bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails plust question about plain text e-mails.
- From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 20:23:12 -0600
Hi Judy!
Thank you so much for your great explanation. I think the default on most
e-mail programs is html, but it was easy for me to change that to plain
text.
Thanks again for explaining. *smile*
Blessings.
Lynnsky
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:14 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails plust question
about plain text e-mails.
Hey Lynn, Jackie already answered, with how to use the angle brackets to
handle a link. (thanks, Jackie! smile).
As to the advantages/disadvantages of plain text vs html encoded
emails: I'm thinking, from my own experiences, that sending messages in html
is something that mostly benefits sighted people. An html-encoded email
lets you embed images and fonting right inside the email, just like you're
looking at a webpage.
One huge disadvantage to emails sent in html is that it makes it super easy
to hide phishing and virus links in the coding that lies underneath the
links that actually display to the sighted viewer in the email. You also end
up with the kind of stuff Roger is battling right now, where a setting gets
changed that makes your emails bizarre and unreadable. If you don't know
html and how to fix your email software's settings, even as a sighted person
it can drive you crazy trying to get it fixed.
Personally, I prefer sending email out in plain text, even though to other
sighted individuals they aren't as "pretty." It makes it safer for the
recipient, and I don't have to fuss with things.
The only time I'll send friends an email that is html encoded is if I want
to send them, for example, a series of images that go in a specific order
with specific captions.
Judy s.
Lynn I wrote:
> Roger!
>
> Are you using Word to compose messages in your e-mail program, or , is
> your font color set to black? I know there is a font color button in
> Word. I don't remember seeing one in Outlook Express or Outlook. All
> that being said, it doesn't mean that's the problem--just a thought.
>
> Judy!
>
> If you send e-mail in plain text and it contains a link, can the link
> be copied or retrieved in the same way as if the message were sent in
> HTML format? Goes to show you how very little I know about computers.
> I'm just wondering what the major disadvantage is to sending most
> e-mail in plain text.
>
> Blessings.
>
> Lynnsky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:09 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails
>
> Nope, it didn't help. It's still coming through as black font against
> black background.
>
> Try Jackie's suggestion, maybe, of changing your email so it goes
> out as plain text?
>
> Judy s.
>
> Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:
>> AOL 8.0. And by the way, the time period Judy mentioned for this
>> change in my emails about coincided with the last time I changed the
>> quote in my signature, so I just now fiddled around with that again.
>> Did
> that help?
>> "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion
>> in it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson] John Adams
>>
>> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder
> Press:
>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>> Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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>> What client are you using? Perhaps my buddy who helped me can help
>> you?----------------"If you go without playing the trumpet for one
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>> Since I learned to play the trumpet at the tender age of 10, I have
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>> Skype: jazzytrumpet----- Original Message ----- From:
>> Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
>> To:
>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:09 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
>> Funky change in Roger's emailsI was unaware of that. Does anyone know
>> how I can fix it?"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if
>> there were no religion in it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson]
>> John Adams
> The
>> Militant:
>> http://www.themilitant.com
>> Pathfinder Press:
>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>> Granma International:
>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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>> Funky change in Roger's emails Date:12/5/2009 3:53:18 PM Eastern
>> Standard Time From:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Reply-to:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To:bksvol-d
>> iscuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details)table endHey
>> Roger,You've got some funky html coding that's been going on for two
>> or three days in your emails coming to the list. It makes the
>> background blackand the font black, except for your .sig file. So for
>> what it's worth, they're unreadable by a sighted person like myself.
>> The only way I can read themis to look at them is by resetting your
>> messages into "text" messages.I'm using Thunderbird to read email,
>> and I don't know if any of the other sightedvolunteers are
>> experiencing this with your emailsJudy s.Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
>> wrote:> That may be the case for you, but for us who do not have
>> access tonor the > skill to use an optacon it does not apply.> > >
>> "This would be the best of all
> possible worlds, if there were no
>> religion > in it." [ in a letterto Thomas Jefferson] John Adams > >
>
>> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder
>> Press: > http://www.pathfinderpress.com>
>> GranmaInternational: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html>
>
>> _> > table with 2 columns and 6 rows> Subj:> [bksvol-discuss] Re:
>> For Gwen andRobert > Date:> 12/5/2009 2:47:53 AM Eastern Standard
>> Time > From:> the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to:>
>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To:> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent from the Internet > (Details)> table end> > Hi Roger!I have been
>> thinking about this subject.In a way, I think that > scanning is
>> easier, because,when I am doing step one of proofreading, I have >
>> the> hard copy in front of me that I can check with the optacon when
>> there is a > scano I am unsureof.
>> When
>> I am proofreading others submissions, I don't > have> the hard copy,
>> so I can only figure out scanos that are obvious or some > from
>> context,feeling a bit unsure at times.DebbyAt 10:55 PM 11/30/2009, >
>> rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>> wrote>As a matter of fact, I think proofreading is easier than
>> wrote>scanning.>
>> Unless
>>> you are submitting a raw scan it is proofreading with extra work. >>
>> Nevertheless> Kim, I would urge you to take the plunge and try some
>> scanningtoo.
>> The > more you learn about scannning the more you learn about >using
>> a computer in > general.>>>> "I have no country to fight for; my
>> country is theearth,
>> and I am a >> citizen of the world." Eugene V. Debs>> The
>> Militant: > <>
>> http://wwww.themilitant.com>http://www.themilitant.com>
>> PathfinderPress:
>>> <http://www.pathfinderpress.com>>
>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com>Granma
>> International: ><http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html>>
>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html>>
>> _>>table with 2 columns and 6 rows>Subj:>[bksvol-discuss]
>> Re: > For Gwen and Robert>Date:>11/30/2009 10:37:56 PM Eastern
>> Standard Time>From:>
>>> kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>Reply-to:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:>>
>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent> from the Internet>(Details)>table
>> end>> My goodnessGwen, you have nothing > to fear when it comes to
>> proofreading > should you decide to do it. One thing> I can tell you
>> is that there are >many ways> to doit. I have a BrailleNote > mPower
>> and I use it as a Braille display > while I read a book from the >
>> beginning> to the end. I listen to my screen
>> reader>readthe text while I follow along > with my fingers using the
> BrailleNote.
>>> I'd call it kind of like a feedback> or redundancy thing. Have you
>>> seen
>> those>floursifters with double or > triple screens in them? Think of
>> those>what I do
>> as >if I were sifting flour because > what> the ears hear the fingers
>> check. I have>tomake sure that everything is all > present and
>> accounted for, title,
>>> author bylines, copyright dates, ISbn > numbers,>publishers,> etc.
>>> After
>> the prefatorymaterial I read every word of the >book. Now I'm >
>> taking in the story (if I'm reading fiction), I'm checking >to see
>> if>there >
>> are> any errors in thescan you might have missed. If I find any, I
>>> use the > delete key so I only get rid of stuff that is extraneous
>>> to
>> the text.>I'd write> you and let youknow what I'm doing. If I come
>> across a bit of >something > in the text I'm not sure about, I'd
>> email you and ask you about it,>pasting > the> bit of textI'm having
>> trouble with in the email to you. You'd >send me the
>>> copy of what the text should be, and I make sure it's in the
>>> file>I'm
>> working> with.One thing I heard right from the start was to have a
>> working> >copy of
>> the
>>> file that isn't touched in case I mess up the one I'm working
>>> with.>I'm
>> still > in>the beginning stages of this thing. I don't do anything
>fancy.
>
>> Eventually
>>> I expect to learn the art of this. What I want to know >is if
>>> the>text
>> makes>sense. I don't heed the word processing program should it have
>> makes>>grammar
>>> suggestions for me. If I come across a weird spelling of a word or
>>>> name,>
>> I'd> want> to know how many times it's in the text. I'd probably
>> write you
>>> to verify > that the word and the way it's spelled is supposed to be
>>> in
>> the text.>My> philosophy> is to do just enough and err on the side of
> caution.
>> Some >people may not > use Braille at all when proofreading while
>> others do. I'm still>learningthe> ropes, but so far what I've done is
>> in the Bookshare
>>> collection so I must > be doing something right or at least I hope
>>> this is so. Nobody will>twist> your> arm and you can proofread
>>> anything that
>> interests
>> you. So far >everything > has interested me. The very first thing I
>> did was a children's book,>butthe> others I've done are fiction books
>> for
> grownups.
>> Regards, Kim.>>
>>
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> ---->>From:>bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of gwen tweedy>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:56 PM>To:>
>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Gwen
>> and > Robert>> I too assumed that those books would go very fast
>> simply from thingsI>> have read here from time to time.>I think they
>> are getting lost in the > admin cue now that would be up to him >to
>> correct me if I am wrong.>And yesfor> me, if I were a proof reader,
>> except for some of the books >he's helped me > with, I wouldn't read
>> them either I just can't read those >kinds of>books.>>As> for my
>> books, I've learned a lot, I feel that even as much as recently >I >
>> have gotten better, but as for myself, I am keenly aware that my
>> booksmight>> be> as fast on the uptake because of my past reputation
>> as a new scanner.>So I
>>> understand that, and can now deal with that.>If I find that Iam not
>> making> it I promise you, I'll be the first to >leave volunteering
>> making> altogether, >
>> because I do not need nor want to be in >the way of>good
>> readingmaterial
>> here> bookshare is so famous for.>I promise you, I would not want
>> here> anyone
>> putting
>>> up junk from me that would >not be fair to y'all.>Some thingsyou can
>> learn,> some things a person can't and if I fail to get >it, then I'm
>> out of here
>>> lock stock and barrel.>Most here scan and proof excellently,and I
>>> would
>> no > more > tarnish >that reputation for this whole world.>It was my
>> hope when I > first put my name up to be a volunteer to put up
>>> moreof the Christian type of> books, if not Christian wholesome
>>> books those my>grandma would care to > read.>But that wholly has
>>> not
>> happened, from a numberof factors of my own >> making> the buck
>> stops here as it were.>If I fail to meet this my personal goal, >
>> that at that time, which could be >today, tomorrow,or perhaps never
>> then I >
>> would> bow out and leave it to those>who know best.>I wish I could
>> proof books, > but I've bungled scans lord knows what I'ddo > to a
>> proof.>Plus there are so > many> rules to proofing my lands I
>> couldn't keep up with >them all, that is to > hard for me simple
>> mind LOL.>I mostlikely should have just stuck to reading> > it would
>> have been a lot >less trouble for us all.>You have a wonderful >
>> day,>Gwen>>block
>> quote>----- OriginalMessage ----->From:>Monica Willyard>To:>>
>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:>
>> Monday,
>> November 30, 2009 3:26 PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] For Gwen and>
>> Robert> Gwen, you're right. Robert is an experienced and valuable
>> member of our>> community.
>> Robert, how many books do you have that are waiting to be>> approved?
>> Are> they on step 1 or in the admin queue?>>Gwen, there are several >
>> factors> in play regarding Robert's books. I don't >know if you're
>> awareof all of > these, so I thought I'd share them. Some of them>can
>> probably be addressed by> people on this list. Others can't.>>On the
>> staff side, Carriewas on > vacation for a week before Thanksgiving.
>>> Also, most of the staff had some time >
>> off> last week for the holiday. I >have found>that she
>> off> generallyapproves
>> books > from volunteers within 24 to 48 hours of >their entry into
>> the admin queue.> Carrie used to be a volunteer just like us,>and she
>> remembersthe > frustration of waiting and waiting for a book to be
>>> approved. She has worked with >
>> Robert> as a fellow volunteer as well and knows>of his skillsand
>> Robert> flexible >
>> attitude.>> From here, it looks like the bottleneck right now is in
>> getting books >> proofread. The number of books on step 1 is pilingup
>> again. Our number > > of active>volunteers and their preferences for
>> reading determine how fast a > book> is >processed. This factor
>> affects everyonewho submits books. For awhile > everyone>was worried
>> about not having any books to work on.
>> Some
>> people quit>> looking for new books on step 1 becauseof all of the
>> books with holds on >> them. Now>there are a lot of excellent books
>> needing a proofreader.>>The
>>> other> factor, on a more personal level,is hard for me to explain. >
>> Robert is a > consistent and dedicated volunteer. I respect him for
>> his >
>> dedication>and
>>> teamwork.> Yet I am hesitant to takehis books for a personal reason.
>>>> In
>> the past, > Robert has been willing to scan some adult-rated content
>> for > Bookshare.>It's> my perception that muchof what he scans would
>> be classified as >steamy > romances. I prefer not to read the
>> steamier books. This isn't about >Robert>or>
>>
>> his skills as a submitter.It's about me and what I want to read. I >>
>> generally don't like to draw attention to this issue since I think
>> it's a >>
>> personal>
>> one>on my part. SinceI feel uncomfortable asking Robert which books
>> one>are >>
>> adult, I let others take his books when he submits. I figured it
>> would
>>> make>
>> him angry>if I askedabout it. If I am wrong about what Robert
>> submits, I > apologize >and take full responsibility for not checking
>> out my assumptions
>>> with> him.>>I thinkwhat I'm saying is that we might do a better job
>>> with> of >
>> communicating >with each other. I know I need to do that. I didn't
>> know that Robert's>> books weren't>gettingadded to the collection. I
>> also assumed that most > people are more >comfortable with adult
>> content than I am and that those would> be done quickly.>Icould be
>> wrong on both counts.>>The last thing I want is > for you or Robert
>> to feel ignored or >unappreciated. I don't have an > immediate>
>> solution.I think we could find >ways to work this>out together, with
>> the > help of the Bookshare community. It would help us >fix the
>> problem if we know> exactlywhat's going on, if the books are on step
>> 1,> or are they getting > lost in the admin queue.>>Monica
>> Willyard>"The best way to predict the future> is tocreate it." --
>> Peter Drucker>>>
>>
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> ---->At 10:32 AM
>> 11/30/2009, you wrote:>> block>quote>I think a timely manner is the
>> key.> And those who have scanned for > years and their books are
>> good, and >everyone knows they are good, to me there>shouldn't be a
>> delay.>Some books get up there right away, so what is the >
>> difference in books?> Especially those of like Robert's when his
>> books
>> have>been tried and > true for a long time.> Eventually volunteers
>> are gonna > quit submitting books, because they > aren't getting
>> anywhere. Some books> stay> up there for a long time.>It's grand
>> for kids books grand for grants, but > I think they are >forgetting the
>
>> submitters
>> especially those hardworking> ones like Bob >who turns in>a quality
>> scan each and every time not like his > wife who turns no quality
>>> scans LOL.>I understand me, but Bob thatis > different.>His> should
>> go right away.>Gwen>>----- Original Message ----->From:>robert >
>> tweedy>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent:
>> Monday, November30, 2009 11:58 AM>> Subject:> [bksvol-discuss] Re:
>> What is the main concern these days?>>That's fine as > long as our
>> books get into the system on a timeymatter.>----- Original > Message>
>> ----->From:>Denise
>> Thompson>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Tuesday, > December
>> Thompson>01, 2009 2:50
>> PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss]Re: What is the main > concern> these
>> PM>days?>>I
>> think BKS's concern is to do books that fit their grant > money. >
>> educational which seems to be most booksfor kids and teens in
>> addition> to >text books,> of course. Adult books don't seem to be
>> educational- > especially those that
>>> have some romance in them.Since they have out-sourcers and> do their
>>> grant
>>> books>with them as well as in house, I feel like I need to >
>>> books>continue to
>> scan
>>> adult books for the restof us who aren't students and who> don't
>>> want to >
>> read kids>books and teen books.>Denise>> At 09:32 AM > 11/30/2009, you
>> wrote:>block
>> quote>I've noticeda strong emphasis on children's > books> as well.
>> quote>This is
>>> wonderful, so long as it isn't at the expense of books > for us
>>> adults,
>> too.>>Melissa>>roberttweedy
>> wrote:>block quote>I am just > wondering> about bookshare policy of
>> submitted books. Taking a >look at the cue, it > looks like
>> children's bookswhich is okay but what >about books>that are just>
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