[bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails plust question about plain text e-mails.

  • From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:13:53 -0600

Hey Lynn, Jackie already answered, with how to use the angle brackets to handle a link. (thanks, Jackie! smile).

As to the advantages/disadvantages of plain text vs html encoded emails: I'm thinking, from my own experiences, that sending messages in html is something that mostly benefits sighted people. An html-encoded email lets you embed images and fonting right inside the email, just like you're looking at a webpage.

One huge disadvantage to emails sent in html is that it makes it super easy to hide phishing and virus links in the coding that lies underneath the links that actually display to the sighted viewer in the email. You also end up with the kind of stuff Roger is battling right now, where a setting gets changed that makes your emails bizarre and unreadable. If you don't know html and how to fix your email software's settings, even as a sighted person it can drive you crazy trying to get it fixed.

Personally, I prefer sending email out in plain text, even though to other sighted individuals they aren't as "pretty." It makes it safer for the recipient, and I don't have to fuss with things. The only time I'll send friends an email that is html encoded is if I want to send them, for example, a series of images that go in a specific order with specific captions.

Judy s.
Lynn I wrote:

Are you using Word to compose messages in your e-mail program, or , is your
font color set to black? I know there is a font color button in Word. I
don't remember seeing one in Outlook Express or Outlook. All that being
said, it doesn't mean that's the problem--just a thought.


If you send e-mail in plain text and it contains a link, can the link be
copied or retrieved in the same way as if the message were sent in HTML
format? Goes to show you how very little I know about computers. I'm just
wondering what the major disadvantage is to sending most e-mail in plain



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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:09 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails

Nope, it didn't help.  It's still coming through as black font against black

Try Jackie's suggestion, maybe, of changing your email so it goes
  out as plain text?

Judy s.

Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:
AOL 8.0. And by the way, the time period Judy mentioned for this change in my emails about coincided with the last time I changed the quote in my signature, so I just now fiddled around with that again. Did
that help?
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MSNWindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: jazzytrumpet----- Original Message ----- From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:09 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emailsI was unaware of that. Does anyone know how I can fix it?"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no
religion in it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson] John Adams
Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html _table with 2 columns and 6 rowsSubj:[bksvol-discuss] Funky change in Roger's emails Date:12/5/2009 3:53:18 PM Eastern Standard Time From:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To:bksvol-d iscuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details)table endHey Roger,You've got some funky html coding that's been going on for two or three days in your emails coming to the list. It makes the background blackand the font black, except for your .sig file. So for what it's worth, they're unreadable by a sighted person like myself. The only way I can read themis to look at them is by resetting your messages into "text" messages.I'm using Thunderbird to read email, and I don't know if any of the other sightedvolunteers are experiencing this with your emailsJudy s.Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:> That may be the case for you, but for us who do not have access tonor the > skill to use an optacon it does not apply.> > > "This would be the best of all
possible worlds, if there were no
religion > in it." [ in a letterto Thomas Jefferson] John Adams     > >

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_> > table with 2 columns and 6 rows> Subj:> [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Gwen andRobert > Date:> 12/5/2009 2:47:53 AM Eastern Standard Time > From:> the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to:> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To:> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent from the Internet > (Details)> table end> > Hi Roger!I have been thinking about this subject.In a way, I think that > scanning is easier, because,when I am doing step one of proofreading, I have > the> hard copy in front of me that I can check with the optacon when there is a > scano I am unsureof.
I am proofreading others submissions, I don't > have> the hard copy, so I can only figure out scanos that are obvious or some > from context,feeling a bit unsure at times.DebbyAt 10:55 PM 11/30/2009, > rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote>As a matter of fact, I think proofreading is easier than wrote>scanning.>
you are submitting a raw scan it is proofreading with extra work. >>
Nevertheless> Kim, I would urge you to take the plunge and try some
The > more you learn about scannning the more you learn about >using a computer in > general.>>>> "I have no country to fight for; my country is theearth, and I am a >> citizen of the world." Eugene V. Debs>> The Militant: > <> http://wwww.themilitant.com>http://www.themilitant.com>
<http://www.pathfinderpress.com>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com>Granma
International: ><http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html>>
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html>> _>>table with 2 columns and 6 rows>Subj:>[bksvol-discuss] Re: > For Gwen and Robert>Date:>11/30/2009 10:37:56 PM Eastern Standard Time>From:>
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent> from the Internet>(Details)>table end>> My goodnessGwen, you have nothing > to fear when it comes to proofreading > should you decide to do it. One thing> I can tell you is that there are >many ways> to doit. I have a BrailleNote > mPower and I use it as a Braille display > while I read a book from the > beginning> to the end. I listen to my screen
reader>readthe text while I follow along > with my fingers using the
I'd call it kind of like a feedback> or redundancy thing. Have you seen
those>floursifters with double or > triple screens in them? Think of those>what I do as >if I were sifting flour because > what> the ears hear the fingers check. I have>tomake sure that everything is all > present and accounted for, title,
author bylines, copyright dates, ISbn > numbers,>publishers,> etc. After
the prefatorymaterial I read every word of the >book. Now I'm > taking in the story (if I'm reading fiction), I'm checking >to see if>there > are> any errors in thescan you might have missed. If I find any, I
use the > delete key so I only get rid of stuff that is extraneous to
the text.>I'd write> you and let youknow what I'm doing. If I come across a bit of >something > in the text I'm not sure about, I'd email you and ask you about it,>pasting > the> bit of textI'm having trouble with in the email to you. You'd >send me the
copy of what the text should be, and I make sure it's in the file>I'm
working> with.One thing I heard right from the start was to have a working> >copy of
file that isn't touched in case I mess up the one I'm working with.>I'm
still > in>the beginning stages of this thing. I don't do anything >fancy.

I expect to learn the art of this. What I want to know >is if the>text
makes>sense. I don't heed the word processing program should it have makes>>grammar
suggestions for me. If I come across a weird spelling of a word or
I'd> want> to know how many times it's in the text. I'd probably write you
to verify > that the word and the way it's spelled is supposed to be in
the text.>My> philosophy> is to do just enough and err on the side of
Some >people may not > use Braille at all when proofreading while others do. I'm still>learningthe> ropes, but so far what I've done is in the Bookshare
collection so I must > be doing something right or at least I hope this is so. Nobody will>twist> your> arm and you can proofread anything that
you. So far >everything > has interested me. The very first thing I did was a children's book,>butthe> others I've done are fiction books for
Regards, Kim.>>

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On Behalf Of gwen tweedy>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:56 PM>To:>
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Gwen and > Robert>> I too assumed that those books would go very fast simply from thingsI>> have read here from time to time.>I think they are getting lost in the > admin cue now that would be up to him >to correct me if I am wrong.>And yesfor> me, if I were a proof reader, except for some of the books >he's helped me > with, I wouldn't read them either I just can't read those >kinds of>books.>>As> for my books, I've learned a lot, I feel that even as much as recently >I > have gotten better, but as for myself, I am keenly aware that my booksmight>> be> as fast on the uptake because of my past reputation as a new scanner.>So I
understand that, and can now deal with that.>If I find that Iam not
making> it I promise you, I'll be the first to >leave volunteering making> altogether, > because I do not need nor want to be in >the way of>good readingmaterial here> bookshare is so famous for.>I promise you, I would not want here> anyone
up junk from me that would >not be fair to y'all.>Some thingsyou can
learn,> some things a person can't and if I fail to get >it, then I'm out of here
lock stock and barrel.>Most here scan and proof excellently,and I would
no > more > tarnish >that reputation for this whole world.>It was my hope when I > first put my name up to be a volunteer to put up
moreof the Christian type of> books, if not Christian wholesome books those my>grandma would care to > read.>But that wholly has not
happened, from a numberof factors of my own >> making> the buck stops here as it were.>If I fail to meet this my personal goal, > that at that time, which could be >today, tomorrow,or perhaps never then I > would> bow out and leave it to those>who know best.>I wish I could proof books, > but I've bungled scans lord knows what I'ddo > to a proof.>Plus there are so > many> rules to proofing my lands I couldn't keep up with >them all, that is to > hard for me simple mind LOL.>I mostlikely should have just stuck to reading> > it would have been a lot >less trouble for us all.>You have a wonderful > day,>Gwen>>block quote>----- OriginalMessage ----->From:>Monica Willyard>To:>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:>
November 30, 2009 3:26 PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] For Gwen and> Robert> Gwen, you're right. Robert is an experienced and valuable member of our>> community. Robert, how many books do you have that are waiting to be>> approved? Are> they on step 1 or in the admin queue?>>Gwen, there are several > factors> in play regarding Robert's books. I don't >know if you're awareof all of > these, so I thought I'd share them. Some of them>can probably be addressed by> people on this list. Others can't.>>On the staff side, Carriewas on > vacation for a week before Thanksgiving.
Also, most of the staff had some time >
off> last week for the holiday. I >have found>that she off> generallyapproves books > from volunteers within 24 to 48 hours of >their entry into the admin queue.> Carrie used to be a volunteer just like us,>and she remembersthe > frustration of waiting and waiting for a book to be
approved. She has worked with >
Robert> as a fellow volunteer as well and knows>of his skillsand Robert> flexible > attitude.>> From here, it looks like the bottleneck right now is in getting books >> proofread. The number of books on step 1 is pilingup again. Our number > > of active>volunteers and their preferences for reading determine how fast a > book> is >processed. This factor affects everyonewho submits books. For awhile > everyone>was worried about not having any books to work on.
people quit>> looking for new books on step 1 becauseof all of the books with holds on >> them. Now>there are a lot of excellent books needing a proofreader.>>The
other> factor, on a more personal level,is hard for me to explain. >
Robert is a > consistent and dedicated volunteer. I respect him for his >
teamwork.> Yet I am hesitant to takehis books for a personal reason.
the past, > Robert has been willing to scan some adult-rated content for > Bookshare.>It's> my perception that muchof what he scans would be classified as >steamy > romances. I prefer not to read the steamier books. This isn't about >Robert>or>

his skills as a submitter.It's about me and what I want to read. I >> generally don't like to draw attention to this issue since I think it's a >>
one>on my part. SinceI feel uncomfortable asking Robert which books one>are >> adult, I let others take his books when he submits. I figured it would
him angry>if I askedabout it. If I am wrong about what Robert submits, I > apologize >and take full responsibility for not checking out my assumptions
with> him.>>I thinkwhat I'm saying is that we might do a better job with> of >
communicating >with each other. I know I need to do that. I didn't know that Robert's>> books weren't>gettingadded to the collection. I also assumed that most > people are more >comfortable with adult content than I am and that those would> be done quickly.>Icould be wrong on both counts.>>The last thing I want is > for you or Robert to feel ignored or >unappreciated. I don't have an > immediate> solution.I think we could find >ways to work this>out together, with the > help of the Bookshare community. It would help us >fix the problem if we know> exactlywhat's going on, if the books are on step 1,> or are they getting > lost in the admin queue.>>Monica Willyard>"The best way to predict the future> is tocreate it." -- Peter Drucker>>>

---->At 10:32 AM
11/30/2009, you wrote:>> block>quote>I think a timely manner is the key.> And those who have scanned for > years and their books are good, and >everyone knows they are good, to me there>shouldn't be a delay.>Some books get up there right away, so what is the > difference in books?> Especially those of like Robert's when his books have>been tried and > true for a long time.> Eventually volunteers are gonna > quit submitting books, because they > aren't getting anywhere. Some books> stay> up there for a long time.>It's grand
for   kids books grand for grants, but > I think they are >forgetting the

especially those hardworking> ones like Bob >who turns in>a quality scan each and every time not like his > wife who turns no quality
scans LOL.>I understand me, but Bob thatis > different.>His> should
go right away.>Gwen>>----- Original Message ----->From:>robert > tweedy>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Monday, November30, 2009 11:58 AM>> Subject:> [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is the main concern these days?>>That's fine as > long as our books get into the system on a timeymatter.>----- Original > Message> ----->From:>Denise Thompson>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Tuesday, > December Thompson>01, 2009 2:50 PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss]Re: What is the main > concern> these PM>days?>>I think BKS's concern is to do books that fit their grant > money. > educational which seems to be most booksfor kids and teens in addition> to >text books,> of course. Adult books don't seem to be educational- > especially those that
have some romance in them.Since they have out-sourcers and> do their grant books>with them as well as in house, I feel like I need to > continue books>to
adult books for the restof us who aren't students and who> don't want to >
read kids>books and teen books.>Denise>> At 09:32 AM > 11/30/2009, you wrote:>block quote>I've noticeda strong emphasis on children's > books> as well. quote>This is
wonderful, so long as it isn't at the expense of books > for us adults,
wrote:>block quote>I am just > wondering> about bookshare policy of submitted books. Taking a >look at the cue, it > looks like children's bookswhich is okay but what >about books>that are just> for pleasure.>block quote end>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank > Email to> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>putthe word 'unsubscribe' by > itself> in the subject line. To get a list
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