GC, this is my message. I don't know how it became Bobbie's message, but I
can show that I sent this message last week. Shelley was explaining the
Braille rules for identifying footnotes, and my response was the message
just below yours. As I said, I have no idea how this happened. But I can
send you the exact same message from my Sent Messages folder if you wish.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
Bobbie,
I'm not quite sure what your message means. I've validating something now with lots of footnotes (fortunately they're numbered anew for each page--definitions, which are at the bottom of the page). Are you saying that I should not make them raised? I raise the numbers and also make them a smaller font so the line isn't disrupted.
Cindy R
--- Bobbie Hughes <hughebo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks, Shelley, that sounds reasonable. The only problem I can see is > that > I don't believe we are supposed to put stuff in the rtf file that would > conform to that rule - what I was able to comprehend of it. <smile> If I > use superscript numbers, then the Bookshare Braille translator will have > to > see to the Braille rules for identifying footnotes. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s > > >> Braille rules say there should be some indication to the footnote, so >> actually seperating them out, or placing a * before them, is actually >> appropriate, see below, taken from Braille Formats and Layouts. >> >> 1. Notes with print reference marks. For the purposes of this Code >> section >> a >> print reference mark is defined as any superior number, letter, or >> character >> printed in running text, a table, list, or illustration to indicate that >> there is a note to what is being discussed and to identify which note. >> NOTE: In line-numbered texts, all notes that are identified by line >> numbers >> must be brailled according to >> Rule 11, Sections 1d(3) and (4). >> >> List of 4 items nesting level 1 >> A. Numbered or lettered reference marks.Superior numbers or letters are >> usually printed after the reference point after the reference point in >> the >> text >> (word1orworda) and preceding the note itself (1note, 1. note, anote,ora. >> note). >> >> (1) Each numbered reference mark must be represented in braille by the >> symbol dots 35,35 followed by the unspaced number indicator and a >> number. >> >> (2) Each lettered reference mark must be represented in braille by the >> symbol dots 35, 35 followed by the unspaced letter indicator and a >> letter. >> >> B. Superior reference marks.Superior reference marks are usually printed >> after the point of reference in the text (word*orword) and preceding the >> note itself >> (*noteornote). The customary sequence of print reference marks is as >> follows: * asterisk, dagger, double dagger, � section sign, || >> parallels, >> � >> paragraph >> sign, � hollow dot. >> >> But as even this indicates there is no "real" way they are supposed to >> be >> presented. >> >> >> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI >> and Judson, guiding golden >> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. >> Graduate Alumni Association Board >> www.guidedogs.com >> >> Dog ownership is like a rainbow. >> Puppies are the joy at one end. >> Old dogs are the treasure at the other. >> Carolyn Alexander >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:46 PM >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s >> >> >> Actually, footnote numbers are usually raised and >> smaller--and occasionally, if there haven't been too >> many of them and some have shown up that way, I've >> used Character Spacing in Font in the Format file to >> do that. If there are a lot, though, I've just left >> them as they scanned, usually, as Evan says, right >> next to the end of the sentence. I haven't come across >> any in the middle of sentences, at least without >> punctuation. I think in that case that I would make >> the number small and raised. >> >> Cindy >> >> --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, but that's too bad for ranked spelling. I do >>> not think it is a good >>> idea to alter the way the book is printed to >>> accommodate ranked spelling. >>> Numbers for footnotes are printed right up against >>> the text. You should >>> just ignore them when they come up in ranked >>> spelling rather than making the >>> footnote references a little less clear in order to >>> keep them from coming up >>> in ranked spelling. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:31 PM >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s >>> >>> >>> > On the other hand, putting a space between >>> punctuation and the number or >>> > the word and the number means the number/word >>> combination no longer shows >>> > up as an error in k1000 rank spelling. >>> > >>> > E. >>> > At 04:15 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote: >>> > >>> >>I have not looked it up so this is just 30 years >>> experience and what I >>> >>have learned from your questions, guesses, and >>> answers but you cannot put >>> >>the footnotes at the end of the line or sentence >>> unless they refer to the >>> >>whole line or sentence. You should not leave a >>> space because it is then >>> >>unclear what that "lone, lorn" number is doing >>> there. Evan, the one >>> >>Braille reader I know, says the number does not >>> interfere with his screen >>> >>reader but even Evan is only one person. Perhaps >>> the question could be >>> >>asked at least of all braille-reader users. Until >>> then I would leave the >>> >>number without a space next to the word to which >>> it applies. If sighted >>> >>College freshman composition students can figure >>> it out I would lay odds >>> >>that blind high-school freshman who have had to >>> compensate for works not >>> >>consider by their sighted friends can do so a lot >>> quicker. All my blind >>> >>friends did. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email >>> to >>> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the >>> subject line. 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If the person who validates this wishes to change them, it's fine by me. Abrazos, Bobbie
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