Thanks, Shelley, that sounds reasonable. The only problem I can see is that
I don't believe we are supposed to put stuff in the rtf file that would
conform to that rule - what I was able to comprehend of it. <smile> If I
use superscript numbers, then the Bookshare Braille translator will have to
see to the Braille rules for identifying footnotes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
Braille rules say there should be some indication to the footnote, so actually seperating them out, or placing a * before them, is actually appropriate, see below, taken from Braille Formats and Layouts.
1. Notes with print reference marks. For the purposes of this Code section a
print reference mark is defined as any superior number, letter, or character
printed in running text, a table, list, or illustration to indicate that
there is a note to what is being discussed and to identify which note.
NOTE: In line-numbered texts, all notes that are identified by line numbers
must be brailled according to
Rule 11, Sections 1d(3) and (4).
List of 4 items nesting level 1 A. Numbered or lettered reference marks.Superior numbers or letters are usually printed after the reference point after the reference point in the text (word1orworda) and preceding the note itself (1note, 1. note, anote,ora. note).
(1) Each numbered reference mark must be represented in braille by the symbol dots 35,35 followed by the unspaced number indicator and a number.
(2) Each lettered reference mark must be represented in braille by the symbol dots 35, 35 followed by the unspaced letter indicator and a letter.
B. Superior reference marks.Superior reference marks are usually printed
after the point of reference in the text (word*orword) and preceding the
note itself
(*noteornote). The customary sequence of print reference marks is as
follows: * asterisk, dagger, double dagger, § section sign, || parallels, ¶
paragraph
sign, ° hollow dot.
But as even this indicates there is no "real" way they are supposed to be presented.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
Actually, footnote numbers are usually raised and smaller--and occasionally, if there haven't been too many of them and some have shown up that way, I've used Character Spacing in Font in the Format file to do that. If there are a lot, though, I've just left them as they scanned, usually, as Evan says, right next to the end of the sentence. I haven't come across any in the middle of sentences, at least without punctuation. I think in that case that I would make the number small and raised.
Cindy
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry, but that's too bad for ranked spelling. I do not think it is a good idea to alter the way the book is printed to accommodate ranked spelling. Numbers for footnotes are printed right up against the text. You should just ignore them when they come up in ranked spelling rather than making the footnote references a little less clear in order to keep them from coming up in ranked spelling.
----- Original Message ----- From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
> On the other hand, putting a space between punctuation and the number or > the word and the number means the number/word combination no longer shows > up as an error in k1000 rank spelling. > > E. > At 04:15 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote: > >>I have not looked it up so this is just 30 years experience and what I >>have learned from your questions, guesses, and answers but you cannot put >>the footnotes at the end of the line or sentence unless they refer to the >>whole line or sentence. You should not leave a space because it is then >>unclear what that "lone, lorn" number is doing there. Evan, the one >>Braille reader I know, says the number does not interfere with his screen >>reader but even Evan is only one person. Perhaps the question could be >>asked at least of all braille-reader users. Until then I would leave the >>number without a space next to the word to which it applies. If sighted >>College freshman composition students can figure it out I would lay odds >>that blind high-school freshman who have had to compensate for works not >>consider by their sighted friends can do so a lot quicker. All my blind >>friends did. >> >> >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list > of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > >
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