[bksvol-discuss] Ellipses and Braille Translators
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:47:27 -0500
Hi Jill,
I don't recall ever seeing dots 4-6 anywhere when the spaces are deleted.
That's a new one, and as far as I know, it shouldn't do that. Very odd.
As for the dot threes in Bookshare brf files, I see them a lot. But to
illustrate the ambiguity of the situation as far as the scanning of them is
concerned, I just checked a book I happened to be reading at the moment from
Bookshare. The book is perhaps the best un-read-through book I have ever gotten
from Bookshare. Still, I can tell that it wasn't read through because, among
other minor errors such as words split between pages, the ellipses are rendered
inconsistently. On one line, I have three dot threes in a row without spaces,
as they should appear in braille. However, just two lines down, I see dots
2-5-6, space, dots 2-5-6, space, dots 2-5-6. It's very unlikely that the two
instances would appear differently in the same book, but they just often don't
scan consistently the same.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jill O'Connell
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question
Evan, When I delete the spaces between periods, my braille display shows this
as dots 4-6. I may be wrong about this but I don't think I have ever seen the
dot 3 used as an elipsis in a bookshare brf copy. Have you? Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: EVAN REESE
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question
Certainly, the Bookshare braille translator does not delete the spaces
between periods. I've seen countless examples of this. Nor does the braille
translator in my Pac Mate delete the spaces. In these cases, ellipses only
appear the way they should in braille if the periods have no spaces between
them. Apparently, in the cases I'm familiar with, the people who write braille
translation software expect the periods to be without spaces between them.
Also, the OCR engines in K1000 and OpenBook are ambiguous about the matter.
I've seen periods with and without spaces in the same book, and sometimes two
periods with no spaces, followed by a space and then another period, or every
other combination of periods and spaces.
Given all this, I remove the spaces when I encounter them.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: Mickey
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question
Usually, in print, the elipsis (three dots) are spaced. I leave it that
way, because it's the way it should be, and because any braille translation
program with delete the spaces.
Mickey
----- Original Message -----
From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question
The spaces are not there in print.
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Hi List,
I was on this list years ago, and thought I'd rejoin for a while to
see what the volunteer community is talking about. (I'm also currently
unemployed, so I guess you could say I've got the time). Anyway, I'm
Eliza from New York City.
I've also got a question, and though this is a pretty trivial
detail, I've wondered about it forever. When you see an elipsis in
text, like when a speaker is cut off by another character, often I see
the three periods and the close quotation mark all separated by spaces
(so it would be . . . "). I sometimes take the interveneing spaces
out so that the last word, the elipsis and the close quote are all
connected, because I think this is always how it appears in braille.
Is this correct? In print, are the spaces always present, or is this
something OpenBook is doing?
Thanks,
Eliza
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