[bksvol-discuss] Re: Dialect in books
- From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:46:26 -0500
Forest Gump has been in the collection for a long time.
Should be there.
Byy Winston Groom
Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
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From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Dialect in books
I tried but cannot download Forrest Gump as it is not even listed yet but
will try one of the others soon.
Any
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From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Dialect in books
> Amy,
>
> No, I mean dialect. Download Forrest Gump, or --the
> Catherine Cookson novel I passed up isn't in the
> collection--I tink it was Fifteen Streets--but
> possibly Kate Hannigan or A Nice Bloke. (I must say
> that from the titles and synopses of her books in the
> collection, they sound interesting and maybe I'll try
> some from the library) but the two that were on the
> download list before were full of cockney and so I
> released them.
>
> I don't mean when I validate--I mean when I read to
> myself, I mentally translate the dialect to normal
> English--as in many of the Kipling poems.
>
> Cindy
>
> --- Amy Goldring Tajalli
> <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Cindy,
>>
>> Do you mean dialect or a foreign language. I know
>> dialect may be more
>> difficult, especially when written, than Standard
>> English but it is English
>> mixed with what is often called slang or jargon.
>> Huck Finn and the slave
>> Jim spoke in a dialect. I have not read Forrest
>> Gump but in the movie he
>> was speaking English but with a slight southern
>> accent. Now in Les Miserable
>> there were songs that were not translated from the
>> French and I still don't
>> know what they meant but that was just carelessness
>> on the part of the
>> translator and editor but it was that or read an
>> edtion which not only
>> translated all of the French but rearranged and
>> really edited the book,
>> leaving me wondering what Hugo really wrote.
>>
>> The book has a number of chapters about the Argot
>> used by the criminals in
>> the book and while it was difficult to follow and
>> even more difficult to
>> remember there was a reason for it and in those
>> chapters Hugo explains it.
>>
>> It is unfair to the reader to edit or "translate"
>> the language of a book
>> unless the reader knows you are doing it and it is
>> clear that you are acting
>> as an editor. See we supposedly just transcribe or
>> scan and correct the
>> scans I don;t feel we have the right to change the
>> books unless you
>> include a note after the original text with your
>> translation and saying why
>> you included it - not replace the original.
>>
>> What is Bookshare's agreement with the publishers
>> and their rule if any
>> about changing the text of the books we scan and
>> validate.
>>
>> Sorry Cindy, I think you should just pass on books
>> you feel the need to
>> edit.
>>
>> Amy
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 2:48 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Dialect in books
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I hate dialect in books. I'm so glad that Shelley
>> > posted that Forrest Gump had a lot of dialect so I
>> > stayed away from it. I didn't mind the Welsh so
>> much
>> > in The Dark Is Rising sequence, because there
>> wasn't
>> > too much of it, but I chose not to do a Catherine
>> > Cookson book because there was too much of it.
>> When I
>> > read a book with dialect I tend to mentally
>> translate
>> > it into normal English and ignore the dialect, but
>> if
>> > I had to listen to the book, I don't know if I
>> could.
>> >
>> > In case there are other readers like me, and even
>> more
>> > so readers won't think there are mistakes, I put
>> in
>> > the long synopsis that there's dialect, and/or
>> English
>> > spelling and/or punctuation, and usually if
>> there's
>> > profanity or swearing. Unfortunately, I forgot to
>> put
>> > the latter in the long synopsis of The Man from
>> > Nowhere/Bitter Grass.
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> >> > Jill, it will not take much work to fix up my
>> >> already
>> >> > scanned rtf file. I will pick the book up
>> tonight
>> >> if
>> >> > we go to town for the fish fry at the church or
>> >> > tomorrow if we don't. We have kind of crappy
>> >> weather
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Then I can see where the first page number
>> occurs
>> >> and
>> >> > just put in page numbers and do whatever it
>> needs
>> >> to
>> >> > fix the chapter headings.
>> >> >
>> >> > I already fixed the space question mark problem
>> >> and
>> >> > one scanno that I found.
>> >> >
>> >> > This book it's so hard to tell what is a scanno
>> >> > because of the dialect and language they use.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am finding the same thing with the book I
>> have
>> >> been
>> >> > scanning this week, Thud!. A lot of their words
>> >> are
>> >> > hWhat and I kept thinking why is it doing that
>> and
>> >> > when I would check the page that is how it is
>> >> written.
>> >> > Or the last page I scanned last night had I
>> >> belive.
>> >> > And I thought what is up with my scanner and
>> >> Omnipage?
>> >> > And that's exactly what it says in the book.
>> But
>> >> if I
>> >> > were a validator I would say oh that's wrong
>> and
>> >> want
>> >> > to fix it. These are things I should put in the
>> >> > comments section when I upload it, right?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Jamie in Michigan
>> >> >
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