I notice there is a list of the most downloaded books to be had from the main menu. I wish this list would show the number of downloads. Perhaps there should also be a list of books most downloaded by younger readers. For those of us who select books and prepare them, this would be a useful list, I should think. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill O'Connell To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Describing Pictures In Children's Books I was interested in your response. We raised three sighted children and back then I had friends helping me braille the story an picture descriptions for the print book because without the actual pictures, I agree with you, the books would have meant nothing. I would be very interested to see Bookshare's records on how many of these books are being downloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Describing Pictures In Children's Books Jill, I completely agree with you. When my kids were very young my ex- and I got a large number of the books with braille and print on them, and the kids loved it. When my youngest was about five I thought to increase her reading world by ordering talking books for young kids. She and I agreed to spend forty-five minutes each evening listening to the books together. She was very excited about it, and so was I. However, five minutes into the first book my daughter went to sleep. We tried it for four more nights with the same result. When I asked her why she kept falling asleep, she said "I don't have anything to do." Kids need to interact with a book when they first start reading, and I don't think synthesized speech on a computer can compete with Barney or power rangers. Just my thoughts. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill O'Connell To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Describing Pictures In Children's Books For what it's worth, I think books for very young children would have to be read by blind parents because the books would be in grade II braille and I don't think little ones would appreciate reading in synthetic speech. And if I'm right, I don't think really young children who are sighted would appreciate a book without pictures, even if there were written descriptions, and I doubt if they were blind the written descriptions pictures would mean much to them. I know this sounds negative and it is why I have never been enthusiastic about children's books where pictures are so important. I know of at least two sources where books have both braille, print and the pictures with their descriptions which I consider to be far more appropriate for young children. Bookshare doesn't need to try to fill every niche in my opinion. I'm expecting a lot of opposition to this opinion, however. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie Yates, CPhT To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Describing Pictures In Children's Books And sometimes, too, Cindy, you don't know a person's ethnicity just from their color. Not all people who are black are "African-American". I ask myself the same questions all of the time when I have a children's book, Cindy. I could easily spend more time describing pictures than scanning or proofing the rest of the book. How much is enough? How much is too much? I don't think I've ever stated the color of the people in a picture before because I usually feel like it's not important. But Ann (I think it was Ann) made a good point about that being important information. And Lissi made a good point about the descriptions being at the same reading level as the book. I've never considered that before. Jamie in Michigan Currently Reading - Shattered Dreams: My Life as a Polygamist's Wife by Irene Spencer With Skype you can make free calls over the Internet. Skype - the whole world can talk for free ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1126 - Release Date: 11/12/2007 12:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.27/1121 - Release Date: 11/9/2007 7:29 PM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1126 - Release Date: 11/12/2007 12:56 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.27/1121 - Release Date: 11/9/2007 7:29 PM